Bull bar blitz: rural drivers fined

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

A trolley jack will do it. I have fitted and removed bullbars by myself several times and not ones that just slotted on. I am sure the bar makers could come up with a fitting for a trolley jack.

Most bullbars come in at about 35-37 Kg .

My suggestion is if the authorities decide to ban bullbars in cities as they already have in Europe. In that case you may have no choice and a removable one may be the only answer.
I just had another thought. The whole bar need not come off, just the loops. Think, the loops could be socketed into the bumper part of the bar. In the USA and UK most front bumpers do not have loops. You could leave the bumper and winch in place with maybe a cover, and maybe even driving lights. This would probably be approved if the profile of the bar was like the original bumper profile.

Regards Philip A

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Im sure you bolt it up well, just not so sure about others


A defender bulbar weighs around 45-50kg + a winch is another 35-45kg, which with lights is nudging 100kg total. And there is no answer for storage?:D
If you make the loops removable, they will be, removed, just not by you.;)


We are not in the U.K or USA, where there are virtually zero roo strikes compared to pedestrian hits, whats the ratio here?
. You hit a cow in any country your going to stop. Buffalo/Bison are almost extinct in the U.S whereas in Australia there are more roo's than when captain cook stepped ashore as we made a perfect environment for them to breed. Factor in more guns than people in the USA and any larger animals like deer etc keep well clear of any roads further reducing impacts.



A few points I got out of this report against an ad campaign from vic roads.
* 90 deaths a year, maybe, nationally where impact was with a vehicle with a bulbar.
* compared to 9000, impacts in 2007 in NSW alone recorded by one insurance company NRMA, extrapolate that across the rest of OZ, then trow in the unreported ones where the bar is only scratched,,, hmmm.
This means at the best estimate it's one pedestrian fatality to way over 100+ potential driver fatalities.
[ame]http://www.aaaa.com.au/files/issues/PositionPaperBullbars.pdf[/ame]


Heres another international study on motoring fatalities to 2011, with an interesting quote from page 53.
Since 1990, the percentage reduction in pedestrian fatalities (-59%) has been considerably larger than that for vehicle occupant fatalities (-46%).


[ame="http://www.internationaltransportforum.org/pub/pdf/13IrtadReport.pdf"]http://www.internationaltransportforum.org/pub/pdf/13IrtadReport.pdf[/ame]



Flogged from disco micks thread:
[ame]http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/rda/files/RDA_JULY_2014.pdf[/ame]
Pedestrian deaths dropped to 150-164 2013 -14 from over 400, 2 decades ago.

[QUOTE=frantic;2207133]like deer etc keep well clear of any roads further reducing impacts.




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You haven't driven much in the USA then. Road kill deer all over the place.

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

Very sorry to hear Matt.

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YES, very sorry to hear that, that's tragic news.

With the authorities also using the excuse of the increased weight of a big bar affecting handling, it madr me wonder what they'd think of the Colorado I spotted the other day..... Quite legal with a ARB Deluxe winch bar, but I dare say the winch that was fitted wasnt light..... nor was the spare tyre bolted to the front of the bar.....

And sharp edges..... well..... i guess the patrol i was just looking at was legal with its genuine nissan bar..... not too sure about the two sets of rod holders, the towbar tongue and ball, or the homemade boat winch mounting frame welded to the factory bar, complete with 50x50mm RHS facing forward....

i guess grey nomads are exempt though.....

Double post

removable bars...what would you put on in its place. as it is we are time poor. frankly I also like a bit of extra protection in town against drunken yobs in 4 cyl race cars and touch parking volvo xc7 and ff range rover drivers.

lets see I go to the scenic Rim on the weekend come home and a feww hundred metres from my home and have my usual near miss with several roos (have hit 2 in the past near my house) with my bar on. take bar off and get revisit my teenage years in the panel shop to fit a replacement bumper that PhillipA has purchased for me (mine got thrown 10 years ago) to drive to my office in Brissy in the morning. work for 2 hours then go to Roma for work....ohh but if I want to protect my pride and joy and fancy not having hire car costs for my radiator being taken out by old man red, I have to stop at home, get changed, get out my new trolley jack (courtesy of PhillipA) and spend an hour changing over front ends (and those text screws are going to last arent they...) shower, dress and drive off....come home and repeat....yep makes heaps of sense to me. ..

cheers

thanfully the Newman Govt and several after are not reading some of the ideas in this thread. I have heard the rumours and silly stuff from study groups etc for 10 years or more and the bullbars in the city, just like overreactions and scare mongering will stay.

cheers

Funny, I have been touring and 4WD since 1977 and never hit a roo.

Last Month I drove from Mt Isa to Longreach and saw the most dead roos per Kilometer that I have ever seen ( except maybe in 2004 from Broken Hill to Peterborough) . The falcons and crows love it. But didn't hit any.

One has hit me in the LH wheel arch where there would not have been a bullbar.

Luck of the draw I guess.

Regards Philip A
BTW bit a "drama queen " response what? You of course would have great difficulty removing a 10Kg hoop from say 4 bolts or even spring clips. Almost as hard as say removing the rocket launchers that slice and dice or would you insist on leaving them on as its all too hard .( not implying you have any. Just a rhetorical flourish).
New ideas are very dangerous and should be resisted at all costs.

I've killed five in one night between Katherine and Timber Creek. 330kms.

Wet season, doing back to 80kmh. Middle off-road where possible. Jumping straight out of the long grass into me.

Another night we ended up camping by the road 150kms short of Meeka (via Sandstone). Roos so thick we were back to a crawl to stop hitting them. At our average speed we'd not have reached Meeka till the morning...


Most grey nomads driving early and camping up early will never hit one.