Bull bar blitz: rural drivers fined

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Originally Posted by garrycol

I guess they can be exempt.

Not specifically bull bars but something similar.

We have bike racks on out Government Buses - get hit by one of these then a bit like getting hit by a 5 post bull bar - but then getting hit by any bus could ruin your day.

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Mate that is a great example of exactly what I am referring to.


Whilst we are focusing on the bullbars, there are significantly wider implications if the enforcement is consistent and across the board. The copper on the power trip has actually opened a hornets nest when you start to really think about it.


How does the above comply when you get fined for having fishing rod holders facing forward in Qld. How about caravaners who have the big bolt on side mirrors on the metal A frame. There is an ADR on how side mirrors are supposed to fold on impact and I would bet they don't comply.


I guess my point is why single out the 4 and 5 posters. I personally don't really like them but why clamp down on them and let all these other things go.


Garycol's example of the bus is a cracker and where do buses like that predominantly drive.....right in the heart of pedestrianville I would bet. If the rack isn't bad enough, check out the way the pedal sticks out...very pedestrian friendly.

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Originally Posted by London Boy

You ever seen a haul truck drive over a Toyota?

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Have seen the aftermath more than once. ;)

I have some very detailed and graphic pics that I won't post on here (people still trapped in the vehicle) of a HiLux that had just been reversed over by a Komatsu WA600 loader on a site that I was manager of at the time.

The girl driving the ute is still a close family friend - we went to her wedding in Thailand not that long back. She was very lucky and got out with minor injuries only. The bloke who was in the passenger seat spent a long time in Royal Perth Hospital and will never work in the mining or any heavy industry again - last I heard, he was selling used cars on the Gold Coast somewhere.

That incident took a heavy toll on quite a few of us - but it could have been a lot worse.

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Originally Posted by nugge t

How does the above comply when you get fined for having fishing rod holders facing forward in Qld. How about caravaners who have the big bolt on side mirrors on the metal A frame. There is an ADR on how side mirrors are supposed to fold on impact and I would bet they don't comply.

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ADR 14-00 (Third Edition)

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14.2.2.2.2. If the minor is in the 'Head Impact Area', the mounting shall deflect, collapse or break away without leaving sharp edges when the reflective surface of the mirror is subjected to a force of not more than 400 N in any 'Forward' direction that is not more than 45 degrees from the 'Forward longitudinal direction.

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Consult the ADR's for proper application of this rule.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Quote from Modifications book issued by Qld. Dept. of Transport and Main Roads.

Note also that no protuberances like lights or the top of any bull bar must be visible from the position of the driver's eyes.

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Well that makes the factory bullbar on my 96 Rangie illegal, unless you are a vertically challenged driver :p

Steve

I see plenty of clowns with rocket launchers on their bars driving around the central coast the cops here don't seem to be bothered.

I always think of them as "Gruyere Cheese makers" making holes in pedestrians instead of cheese :p

Steve

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Originally Posted by SteveFarmer

Well that makes the factory bullbar on my 96 Rangie illegal, unless you are a vertically challenged driver :p

Steve

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It would most certainly be illegal. By the way, there is a legal definition of the position of the driver's eyes. Check the web site. It is a bugger of a site to find anything in, but this is there. Put simply, anything that can be seen from this position must be below the outline of the bonnet, other than one two-way radio antenna mounted on the left corner, and only there if there is nowhere else to place it.

Fishing rod holders must be turned back in behind the bull bar when not in use.

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Originally Posted by SteveFarmer

Well that makes the factory bullbar on my 96 Rangie illegal, unless you are a vertically challenged driver :p

Steve

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No, it shouldn't. Second edition ADRs apply. The standard and third edition ADRs came into effect after your bull bar was fitted.

Many people seem to be missing the fact that the current ADRs we are talking about came into force in 2003. All the vehicles they have been fining as part of this blitz (from what I have seen) are post 2003 vehicles which by definition must comply with the current ADR.

These bars are stilll legal (when fitted to a series LR), as they complied with the regs when the vehicle was manufactured.
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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

It would most certainly be illegal. By the way, there is a legal definition of the position of the driver's eyes. Check the web site. It is a bugger of a site to find anything in, but this is there. Put simply, anything that can be seen from this position must be below the outline of the bonnet, other than one two-way radio antenna mounted on the left corner, and only there if there is nowhere else to place it.

Fishing rod holders must be turned back in behind the bull bar when not in use.

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Interesting example because P38's were sold in 2000 with the exact same bar and I am pretty sure they are ADR compliant

There was mention at the CC4WD club last night about this being discussed at the regional 4wd council, so it may not just be rural drivers either but some kind of decision to enforce the rules (whatever they are exactly)

A tradie with a Conduit Carrier mounted to the front of the bar is legal when carrying conduit but illegal when empty apparently

Steve

How many magazine stories have there been in which blokes boast about how clever they were to knock up this impressive bull bar for their super truck and how cool it looks, never mentioning that its actually illegal, they've committed a crime and they've almost certainly voided their insurance. Makes me laugh sometimes.