Are 4WDs too high-tech for the bush?

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Originally Posted by FeatherWeightDriver

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Besides, what's on offer if I do come to bed? More nagging????

Having been out in my old Deefer with a few D3's and a D4 HSE for a weekend trip, I must admit I lust after a nice D4 with the same enthusiasm i might lust after a much younger woman (only cos I know the D4 would be more likely and that's not gonna happen anyway) cos I've seen a D4 in particular crawl effortlessly over steep rock ledges, etc barely spinning a wheel (I guess the computers where working overtime) whilst the older Deefers and County's relied on aftermarket lockers or LSD's and a fair bit of right boot in the mix. Still, it's less distressing I guess, to get home and see a dent or two and a bunch of extra bush pinstriping on an older car than it would be on a $50k plus car.

I was happy enough with my D2, it never gave me an issue during the time I owned it. Only sold it because I needed a daily driver car (no more company car) and it was getting long in the tooth (380000km) to put 25000 - 30000km a year on.

I bought something new and Japanese only because a D4 was out of my price range. But I have just got back from a desert trip with older cars that had problems and my modern car full of electronics never missed a beat.
Would I take on remote trips again? Certainly!

Mind you I do have this hankering to get an old Defender as a project car in a year or so when I have more time and money again.

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Originally Posted by Didge

Wow, previous pages in this thread read like a Jap owner vs Land Rover argument - wouldn't think we're all on the same team here judging by the comments being thrown around.

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Originally Posted by Didge

Still, it's less distressing I guess, to get home and see a dent or two and a bunch of extra bush pinstriping on an older car than it would be on a $50k plus car.

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Nah, use it for what its made to do :cool:

Bush damage doesn't bother me... ****n Car park damage - :censored::censored::censored:

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Originally Posted by Didge

Besides, what's on offer if I do come to bed? More nagging????

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Didge....It sounds like you are having an affair with my wife? :D

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Originally Posted by bob10

So, the question must be asked, would you drive a D2 into remote areas? On your own. Bob

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Yes. I have taken my D2 to remote areas on my own and will continue to do so until I can afford a 'new' car. I might need a 7 seater the way kids keep appearing at my joint though. :D. Maybe a nice 'new' D2a with 7 seats? That's the newest I'll ever be able to afford. When they drop in price a bit in a few years ;)

My insurance policy is a sat phone an epirb. I'd never travel remotely without either.

Its an interesting argument about whether electronics are actually making vehicles more reliable than mechanical systems.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Its an interesting argument about whether electronics are actually making vehicles more reliable than mechanical systems.

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I think they are now, after a somewhat shaky start. The problem arises because the manufacturers have taken advantage of the introduction of electronics both to make vehicles less repairable, and to make it difficult to repair them outside their dealer's workshops. There is nothing inherent in electronics to make this necessary.

John

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

Didge....It sounds like you are having an affair with my wife? :D

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Sounds like he is having an affair with most everyone's wives, ... bloody Defender owners I knew you couldn't trust the buggers ... ;)

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

I think they are now, after a somewhat shaky start. The problem arises because the manufacturers have taken advantage of the introduction of electronics both to make vehicles less repairable, and to make it difficult to repair them outside their dealer's workshops. There is nothing inherent in electronics to make this necessary.

John

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I reckon you are right there,John.
But there is more possibility of making repairs to mechanical things than repairing things electronic out in the wilds.
Can't twitch up a transistor with a bit of fencing wire.