Thread: New Vehicle

If i beg would it help redback. What if i get on my knees and beg. Matt

Originally posted by Redback
Well GUYS
The response hase been overwealming. Nothing that has been said has convinced me.
If you are so fond of your Landrover I would have thought that there would have been an offer to take one for a small spin around the block.

Kerry

I'd let you drive mine but I just got the seats dry from the last time it got wet [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

Here is the biggest factor.
Many of the people here are very successful in their fields, are self employed, creative and imaginative individuals, with excellent analytical skill, who chose to drive landrovers.

Every suburban yobbo and soccer mum has a landcruiser.

Originally posted by damo
Here is the biggest factor.
Many of the people here are very successful in their fields, are self employed, creative and imaginative individuals, with excellent analytical skill, who chose to drive landrovers.

Every suburban yobbo and soccer mum has a landcruiser.

I like that Damo, that was well said. Oh i sent you a pm, if i leave the message in every thread you will find it eventually. Matt

Gidday Mrs Kerry Redback!

Here's an objective view of the 100 Series / Discovery. Sounds like you want it for towing, cruising and 4WDing.

Firstly, I don't think there is such a thing as a live-axle turbodiesel 100 Series, unless you mean an aftermaket turbo at a cost of around $7000, or a solid axle swap to a tdi.

Both the Disco and 100 Series are fine vehicles and either would do the job. However, there are pros and cons.

Fuel Consumption
The Disco wins here hands down. It weighs just over 2000kg as opposed to the Cruiser's 2500+kg. It also had a modern engine, whereas the Toyota's 4.2 is old and not economical. Note that the Cruiser's greater power and torque isn't as impressive as it seems once you look at the real figure, which is power/torque to weight.

The 4.2 is more powerful than the 2.5, but you need to factor in that fat old Cruiser.

Towing Ability
Either will tow whatever you want. Equal, but I'd probably prefer the 100 Series if you're towing really big things, as it's heavier.

Strength, Reliability and Build Quality
I'll let you into a secret. Toyotas aren't strong. Ask around 100 Series owners and see how many have had their front diff rebuilt. The answer would be a lot, as it's basically the same diff as in the much smaller and lighter early Hiluxes. I personally know of five owners with problems. The IFS model also has problems with its front suspension which is weak. Proof? ARB have released a strengthening kit, and rumour is the next 100 Series will not use the torsion bar front suspension.

Quite simply the 100 Series is not a tough vehicle. Don't reverse it up hills if you value your front diff. This applies to any 100 Series.

But Toyota's build quality is better than Landrovers, no doubt about it. Remember that build quality is often things like trim falling off. Build quality problems can often be fixed at home and don't stop you finishing a trip. Broken diffs and suspension are much more of a pain.

Leaving aside the points made above, the Cruiser is likely to be the more reliable, as Toyota do that very well. But late model Discos are also good on that score too, so I would not worry overmuch.

Parts Prices
It's well known that Yota price their parts as if they are hewn from solid gold by angels and coated with platinum by the Greek gods. Toyota drivers tend to have multiple children as they need to give up their firstborn for a 100k service. There is no comparison. Shop around.

Offroad Ability
The Cruiser is good, but the independent suspension seriously limits the vehicle, especially given its dimensions. With earlier, live-axle Cruisers, the line didn't matter so much as the vehicle was very capable. Smaller IFS vehicles used their greater nimbleness to pick suitable lines. The IFS Cruiser loses a lot of front-end traction and doesn't have the size to to be nimble. But it's still very good, but won't match the Discovery which has better wheel travel, gearing as low, is smaller, lighter and has much better visibility.

Carrying capacity
100 Series wins, it's got more room in the back.

Resale value
Nothing beats the resale value of a Toyota, but you pay more for it, and why not have that money working for you instead of tied up in a car. You'll get more Disco for your dollar to begin with. Discos do sell well on the secondhand market. I'd actually place them equal.


I think that's addressed all your points?

If I were you, I would go for the Disco because it does very well offroad, is frgual, nimble, strong and will tow very well, as well as being cheaper to buy. If the Disco's carrying capacity in the rear is a problem, as it's not the biggest by any means, then go for the 100 Series. That is one reason why I drive a Defender, it has more room in the rear.


As I said, both cars are fine vehicles and both would do the job, but I think the Disco would be best.

I would also consider a Patrol and a Pajero too.

Note; I have driven both vehicles offroad, and seen both perform on numerous training courses and offroad trips, and know several owners of each, so my comments are first-hand.

hey damo

ace has sent you a pm :wink: :wink:


that might help ace
if not who care's yet another post for me :wink:

Well said RPM. As RPM said the disco is cheaper, and given you get more Disco for youre money, the money you save not buying a cruiser will buy you a few accessories to, especailly a snorkel Reback. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] Matt

Gee -- this one took off!

Hello Mr & Mrs Redback.

Kerry -- you are more than welcome to drive Kimba and tow the trailer, eventhough you are not in the market for the Fender, the TD5 is the same as the Disco.

More importantly -- a TD5 which has had its ECU remapped ($850) produces more torque and power than the Toyo 4.2 (N/A). Add to that the weight difference and it is no contest. You can go further with an upgraded intercooler ($1600) and you will get 175Kw and more than 500Nm of torque (you are getting into serious HSV territory with these outputs). Have a drive of Kimba (which has been chipped) and compare the towing ability to the 100 series!

Fuel economy is not contest -- TD5 wins hands down.

Spares -- Toyo are pricey and LR has an enormous specialist parts network to ensure there is good competition for spares.

Late model Disco2s are well sorted, yeah there may be some small build quality issues,but nothing significant compared with IFS and front diff woes of the 100 series.

Disco2 with ACE (not our one), but ACTIVE CORNERING ENHANCEMENT, HDC, etc etc makes for a much better driving/handling vehicle.

LR Character -- Toyo just cannot compete. Kimba is members of the family, as much as the dog. People think I am mad (probably am, but in a nice way), but there is really something about them. Toyos/Nissan you are just part of the crowd. Bit like owning a cat compared with a dog, if you know what I mean????

Heritage -- as so well outlined by Damo, LR (and Jeep for that matter) really know their 4x4 engineering, mainly because that is all they have ever made. They are the leaders in 4x4 intellectual property and at the end of the day do not compromise their engineering. That can lead to some annoyances in the Defender when trying to accomodate the whims of 2004 humans, but at the end of the day they are well engineered, people just need to fit in. :wink:

Finally -- who will you wave to in the Toyo?

Drop me a PM if you want to take me up on the drive.

All the best with the shopping

P.S. god I am a gibberer!