Thread: They'd like to kill us

Australians preparing to fight overseas could face life imprisonment

The federal government has released the detail of its foreign fighters bill which aims to prevent citizens travelling to Iraq and Syria and joining Islamic State fighters
The bill seeks to repeal the current regime of laws used to prosecute people in favour of a far more punishing act that creates four offences that carry penalties of life imprisonment.

The four offences where people face life sentences are:

• making an incursion into a foreign country with the intent of engaging in hostile activities.

• Preparing for incursions into foreign countries for the purpose of engaging in hostile activities.

• Giving or receiving goods and services to promote the commission of an offence.
I just wonder if this includes the inmates in prison for terrorism and the ones that work as couriers for them
• Allowing use of buildings, vessels or aircraft to commit a foreign incursions offence.

Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

I think she was making a comment about US policing biases towards Muslims.
I'm all for freedom of religion. However I'm also for freedom from religion if you so desire it. I've met moderate Muslims. I've met moderate Christians. And I've met utter ******* on both sides.

Both sides?
It's not Muslim vs Christian at all.
It's Islam vs whoever isn't. And it needn't be a religion either.
Communist China is having its own struggles with the spread of Islam too.

Islam is never cool with your way of life if you aren't a Muslim.
Heaps of wonderful people are Muslims, though.

Originally Posted by korg20000bc

Both sides?
It's not Muslim vs Christian at all.
It's Islam vs whoever isn't. And it needn't be a religion either.
Communist China is having its own struggles with the spread of Islam too.

Islam is never cool with your way of life if you aren't a Muslim.
Heaps of wonderful people are Muslims, though.

Totally agree with you.

And those heaps of wonderful people would STILL be wonderful if they weren't muslim. The religion does nothing to make them wonderful.

only an idiot thinks they can settle this problem with diplomacy.

diplomacy only works for people who are willing to listen, and fanatics arent interested.

the problem is, the difference between a religious fanatic and a political fanatic is that the political nutcase knows that if he dies, his cause dies with him.

to resolve the current problem, you either need to remove the problem (keep shooting till theyre gone) or you need to remove thier support, either way, the western world has to step up to the plate and be a bigger bunch of bastards than ISIS/ISIL

but..... the bleating heart crowd will always cry foul.... till one of the ragheads slits thier throats....

Originally Posted by korg20000bc

Both sides?
It's not Muslim vs Christian at all.
It's Islam vs whoever isn't. And it needn't be a religion either.
Communist China is having its own struggles with the spread of Islam too.

Islam is never cool with your way of life if you aren't a Muslim.
Heaps of wonderful people are Muslims, though.

By both sides I mean that my experiences with religious individuals have either been Christian, Muslim, or some very minor exposure to Judaism.

Originally Posted by Sprint

only an idiot thinks they can settle this problem with diplomacy.

diplomacy only works for people who are willing to listen, and fanatics arent interested.

the problem is, the difference between a religious fanatic and a political fanatic is that the political nutcase knows that if he dies, his cause dies with him.

to resolve the current problem, you either need to remove the problem (keep shooting till theyre gone) or you need to remove thier support, either way, the western world has to step up to the plate and be a bigger bunch of bastards than ISIS/ISIL

but..... the bleating heart crowd will always cry foul.... till one of the ragheads slits thier throats....

Hmm...
The thing that concerns me is when we have a Islamic terror event here in Australia, there is bound to be a backlash against the Muslim community here. Blameless people are sure to be hurt. This creates more division and more local Muslims are radicalised, creating more terror events.

Where does that lead? Can a whole cultural group be removed from the community? People will say "send 'em back to where they came from" but we have a home-grown Muslim population whose home country is Australia.

This is the main failure of multiculturalism in my opinion. It HAS to end with a culture being dominant. Which culture has the will to do it?

I read a quote once, can't remember who said it but it ran something like...

Multiculturalism was invented by western intelligencia not because they valued other cultures but because they despised their own.

Originally Posted by korg20000bc

It HAS to end with a culture being dominant. Which culture has the will to do it?

You mean what culture has the balls to do what needs to be done, however repulsive, beastly and murderous to survive?

That being the case, Australia as we've known and enjoyed is doomed.

Disclaimer: I promise no rants will be forthcoming!


Here's another point of view (and focus) re this topic from Glenn Greenwald - the journalist involved with the publishing of the Snowden NSA leaks. Like Glenn I am more concerned about factors other than ostensible terrorist threats.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...ze-new-powers/
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