The Great Fuel Rip-Off.

**PhilipA** · 4th December 2014, 07:35 AM

Most Japanese cars are tuned to run on 91 octane so don't ping on it, so no advantage to run 98 except lighter weight of wallet. Most European cars are tuned to run on 95 or 98 so will ping on 91 so then the computer will retard the timing. That is why some cars benefit and some don't.
Regards Philip A

**Pedro_The_Swift** · 4th December 2014, 11:39 AM

filled up on LPG this morning for the run out to Kilcunda,,

62cpl!!!

You rock Victoria!

**Outback 1** · 4th December 2014, 12:05 PM

Hey pedro when are you going to visit the good country nth central Victoria

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DiscoMick · 4th December 2014, 01:11 PM

Fuel prices are not a free market thing at all, they are manipulated by the oil producers to maximize profits. At the moment the USA is rapidly increasing production of shale oil, so it is hitting the other oil producers. OPEC had a meeting about it the other day. The prediction is fuel prices will fall because of the extra production flooding the market.
Exactly the same thing is happening with iron ore prices because BHP and Rio Tinto are increasing production to squeeze out high cost Chinese producers and gain market share for themselves. This is cutting state government royalties and federal government company tax income and worsening government deficits. This is the big picture behind the news.
There is no such thing as a free market.

DiscoMick · 4th December 2014, 01:12 PM

Toyota says our Yaris will run happily on E10 and it does, so why wouldn't I use a cheaper fuel?

**101RRS** · 4th December 2014, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Toyota says our Yaris will run happily on E10 and it does, so why wouldn't I use a cheaper fuel?

I cannot comment on a Yaris but for many vehicles the mpg or l/100km is less than say 91 Unleaded.

So you need to work out your cost in fuel per km to actually see if it is actually cheaper to use.

In many cases it is actually more expensive.

Tombie · 4th December 2014, 02:12 PM

Also depends on your use.. The "E" component absorbs water..
For my use it would help contaminate the petrol items I own.

I also enjoy the benefits of the cleaning agents etc in high octane fuel... And don't use additives in the engines running petrol.

Having said that my petrol vehicles are the mower, chain saw, whipper snipper, bikes and the boat...

**PhilipA** · 4th December 2014, 02:29 PM

Toyota says our Yaris will run happily on E10 and it does, so why wouldn't I use a cheaper fuel?

The Yaris will run on 91 quite happily.
The problem is that for a car designed to run on 91 octane there is no advantage in using 94 octane E10.
Ethanol has approximately 68% of the calorific value of petrol.
from
[ame]http://www.aip.com.au/pdf/BioFuelFactSheet.pdf[/ame]

Ethanol contains 68 per cent of the energy content of petrol. In an E10 blend this means around 3 per cent less energy is available, which translates to a similar loss of fuel economy on average across the vehicle fleet. Individual vehicle performance may vary significantly from the average.
In the real world my experience suggests that I lose about 5% of economy in my Honda Jazz.
At the central coast of NSW the price difference is 2.5 cents a litre which is less than the loss of economy.

So you are not saving money at all by using E10.

In fact it is costing you money!!!!

Regards Philip A

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