Ambulance Drone.

What is this thread discussing, how good defibs are or using remotely piloted vehicles (RPVs) aka 'drones' to deliver them.
Much has been said on the defibs and I agree that they are a life saver. But you will never see them delivered by RPVs or for that matter neither will pizzas or books or any thing else. Not in Australia anyway.
How much does a defib weigh? 2kg give or take. You need a big RPV to lift that weight. And a massive battery to power it, adding to the weight. It's flight time would be limited to around 30 mins at most. And I think that's generous. RPVs must be flown under 120m above ground level and the operator must maintain eyes on at all times. Safety is a big issue for CASA. You can't fly them with an on board camera in first person view (FPV) so if it's lost you can't fly home. They do have return home mode if GPS is lost but it's very basic. What if a motor failed in flight? Would you want 3-4kg of uncontrolled RPV dropping 120m into your car windscreen? How do you confirm that the right person gets the payload, how does the receipent prepare the RPV for its return flight. There are to many variables that it's risk model is too large.
Just my thoughts
Cheers
Nino

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Only three of us 200k's south of Newman,one driver,the Paramedic pumping drugs into him and me going to town on his chest,it's very hard to work in a moving vehicle so we each stayed put and did what we had to. Pat

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I still claim, more than 5 mints the average person would be on the floor needing the drugs. its friggen hard work. and my personal experience is that no member of the public would step up.
I had a few months of thinking I had failed because I could not keep it up and anger at the spectators for not helping.


but then the cop who took my statement a month or so latter said the back of his skull was damaged and sort of hinted the outcome was for the better

Totally agree with you,but that happened to me three years ago,back then I was training with a commonwealth boxer,a bloke from the recon force,a couple of runners and a heap of cyclists,could do 12's on the beep test and used to run up radio hill and climbed mount Newman and Mt Robinson each weekend to get endurance,I was 98kg of eye candy,10 months of Ross River changed all that. Pat

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

mmmm.....I can see drones delivering pizzas.....home ice cream...etc

as long as it doesn't affect Santa.

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Not a Problem as Sanny drives a Jeep now, dont he ?

Well i guess you can call me a liar as well as I have done for close on 1 hr. We used to train for a min of 30 minutes in the old days. A friend did it for 4hrs.
A defib turning up would be a bonus, but may not be of any use unless there is a shockable rhythm like VF or VT. CPR may need to be continued if no shockable rhythm or the shock is not effective. Then there are other rhythms that can be treated but need drugs and other resources such as critical care paramedics or an ED. We generally will use morphine as well as other drugs.

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Originally Posted by 85 county

i was first at a motor bike accident a few years back, on Gorge road Adelaide

now over the years i have done quite a few first aid and CPR courses. always on a dummy and sometime pretend on a mate. apart from the number of blows to pumps its still the same. so peace of cake really.

well that's what i thought until the real deal happened, its bloody hard work. ambo took over 30 minits. if anyone claims they can do CPR for longer than 5 mints i will call you a liar.

and if you think anyone will help, your joking the average aussie is more interested in Gorking or taking photos than helping. with one guys screaming at me, DONT touch him you may hirt his back. The bloke was blue, doubt he was thinking about his back

defif tuning up in 10 minits would have been great

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Let's just say that CPR is a lot harder work than people imagine from watching the movies. A guy dropped on the tennis court next to me one night. I was playing against a doctor who basically started CPR straight away. I was surprised at how strong the process was....the doctor was sweating pretty quickly. Although the ambulance was called straight away, we went through 3 "shifts" of CPR operators before it arrived. The doctor also surprised me by saying it is common to actually crack a rib or breastbone in the process. I don't know anything about it, just repeating what I was told.

If you don't crack a rib your not doing effective compressions,you can sometimes hear the click'click'click from the ribs,it's bloody hard work. Pat

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

Let's just say that CPR is a lot harder work than people imagine from watching the movies. A guy dropped on the tennis court next to me one night. I was playing against a doctor who basically started CPR straight away. I was surprised at how strong the process was....the doctor was sweating pretty quickly. Although the ambulance was called straight away, we went through 3 "shifts" of CPR operators before it arrived. The doctor also surprised me by saying it is common to actually crack a rib or breastbone in the process. I don't know anything about it, just repeating what I was told.

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Yes it is hard work, I dont think anyone will say otherwise, but you need to use the weight of your upper body rather than your arms as it helps reduce fatigue.
Yes you will crack ribs in most but not all circumstances. Rare to crack the breastbone itself usually where the ribs meet the breastbone. Before I was made redundant we were looking at mechanical CPR boards by Zoll. These will get more common and provide consistent and accurate CPR.

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St Johns are getting the Panasonic model. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Sorry but your wrong and Craig is right,the reason resus is only 17% effective is because people waste time,in your world calling a drone instead of doing effective CPR.Your idea of calling a drone that lands next to you and delivers a defib within 60 secs is laughable,this is not a Country Pratctise. Pat

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when did i say dont do CRP and wait for a drone instead?
that idea is ludicrous