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**AndyG** · 7th April 2015, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by PAT303

I have first hand experience of this,my last ever job as an Ambulance was for a 200 series Land cruiser that crashed at Newman,the vehicle pulled out onto the road and accelerated out of control,the driver was a 50 year old male that told me straight out that everything happened in an instant,the LC only stopped after he ran over a round-a-bout and the jolt caused the engine to stop.We arrived within minutes and the brake rotors were blue and smoking heavily,the driver was terrified to the point of having tachycardia,I know for a fact that floor mats weren't the problem for the simple reason that I personally looked in the vehicle and it didn't have mats.Toyota know it wasn't the mats either,the next day the vehicle was put on a truck that was driven overnight from Perth,the accident happened at 10:40 the night before,my Tdi Defender and camper were being backed loaded on another truck but the 200 series had a truck all to itself,you can believe the mat story but I have enough experience dealing with people to know if they are faking or not,you cannot fake a cardiac arrest. Pat

I'm surprised the vehicle wasn't impounded, or does someone have to die first?

**Eevo** · 7th April 2015, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by p38arover

They can buy my P38A back now!

at the original sale price

**p38arover** · 7th April 2015, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Eevo

at the original sale price

Happy to give them a 50% discount.

**loanrangie** · 7th April 2015, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

How many modern cars actually have an Acc. position?

Not the ones with push button start. While you can press the button without your foot on the brake and the engine doesn't start, it is not a true accessories position because the engine management and other management systems are still active.

The last thing you'd want to do with these vehicles is to deactivate the vehicle systems which automatically locks the steering.

Clearly not a push button start system if this is possible -

After years of inaction related to the problem, GM recalled roughly 2.4 million vehicles last year which potentially contained defective ignition switches that easily slipped from the "run" to "accessory" position. Such a sequence turned off critical electrical functions that, among other things, provided power to airbag systems.

**Lotz-A-Landies** · 7th April 2015, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by loanrangie

Clearly not a push button start system if this is possible -

But a possibility in the Toyota accelerator problem.

**bsperka** · 8th April 2015, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by incisor

and they carry on about vw gearboxes....

very sad tale overall tho it has to be said.

The Golf just stops. Not related to the gearbox and no faults thrown. The death in Melbourne wasn't gearbox related.

**tact** · 8th April 2015, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Its because the accelerator pedal doesn't have a linkage or cable between it and the engine, it is all fly by wire and when the cars computer fails it could fail in the pedal flat-to-the-floor position. What was worse was the fact that as a safety measure, you can't turn the ignition off while the car is moving.

It's not limited to fly by wire systems. When I was learning to drive my dad's old XR chook bucket (auto box) in the back yard, maybe 40yrs ago(?), the return spring on the throttle at the carby let go. Loud pedal to the floor. Trans kicked down and car launched! I had the presence of mind at 15yo to turn off the ignition. Stopped before hitting the back fence.

Can't turn off at the key in gear? "N" is surely the answer.

**tact** · 8th April 2015, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

[...]Hell if I was that scared, I'd throw it into reverse.... it'd no doubt stall the engine for me.

seeya,
Shane L.

In modern electronic controlled gearboxes maybe nothing much would happen (system clever to not actually engage reverse).

In 40yo auto rwd vehicles - tossing it in reverse at speed CAN result in:
- a loud bang,
- rear wheels locking up at least momentarily,
- violent moments of loss of control,
- sounds of glass breaking, shrieking metal,
- rapid departure from your marked lane
(Been there, done that)

**BMKal** · 8th April 2015, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by tact

In modern electronic controlled gearboxes maybe nothing much would happen (system clever to not actually engage reverse).

In 40yo auto rwd vehicles - tossing it in reverse at speed CAN result in:
- a loud bang,
- rear wheels locking up at least momentarily,
- violent moments of loss of control,
- sounds of glass breaking, shrieking metal,
- rapid departure from your marked lane
(Been there, done that)

Or converting Holden wagon from regular in-line six cylinder engine configuration to "slant six" (been there, done that too).

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