Budget 2015 sneaky bit

**Eevo** · 13th May 2015, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Everything was leaked before the budget wasn't it?

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all i know is i heard about this last friday and i didnt think it was related to the budget at all

**BathurstTom** · 14th May 2015, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Lets hope that the RTA doesn't find out about your Diabetes II or your MR/HR/HC/MC licence may be a thing of the past!

Or you can just get a clearance from your Doctor...

Tom.

**Ausfree** · 14th May 2015, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Lets hope that the RTA doesn't find out about your Diabetes II or your MR/HR/HC/MC licence may be a thing of the past!

If it's controlled by diet, no problems. If it is controlled by insulin injection........then there are problems. We have several drivers with type 2 controlled by diet and they pass medicals to retain their heavy vehicle licence.

Tombie · 15th May 2015, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Lets hope that the RTA doesn't find out about your Diabetes II or your MR/HR/HC/MC licence may be a thing of the past!

Based on that logic are you condoning the operation of heavy equipment by persons medically susceptible to blacking out (having a medical episode) which could endanger life?

Peoples circumstances change - putting others at risk due to them is an acceptable choice.

**ramblingboy42** · 16th May 2015, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Lets hope that the RTA doesn't find out about your Diabetes II or your MR/HR/HC/MC licence may be a thing of the past!

they do know, it's disclosed on my license.

**ramblingboy42** · 16th May 2015, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ausfree

If it's controlled by diet, no problems. If it is controlled by insulin injection........then there are problems. We have several drivers with type 2 controlled by diet and they pass medicals to retain their heavy vehicle licence.

I choose to use insulin instead of many tablets.

There is no problem with insulin control by injection.

**ramblingboy42** · 16th May 2015, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Based on that logic are you condoning the operation of heavy equipment by persons medically susceptible to blacking out (having a medical episode) which could endanger life?

Peoples circumstances change - putting others at risk due to them is an acceptable choice.

If you are talking about a person with diabetes becoming hypoglaemic to the point of blacking out , it would be a very , very rare occurrence.

The onset of a hypo happens slowly and a person becomes quite distressed and lethargic long before blackout.

It is quickly rectified by eating fast carbo food eg jelly beans, jam sandwich etc

I agree with your comments though Tombie about risks.

More risk surrounds heart condition/stroke than diabetes.

Most chronic illnesses carry varying degrees of risk when it comes to operating and controlling heavy equipment and machinery , especially when medically scripted drugs are involved.

Perhaps it is this reason that a lot of people don't want their personal medical history to be seen by others.

**Roverlord off road spares** · 16th May 2015, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

If you are talking about a person with diabetes becoming hypoglaemic to the point of blacking out , it would be a very , very rare occurrence.

The onset of a hypo happens slowly and a person becomes quite distressed and lethargic long before blackout.

It is quickly rectified by eating fast carbo food eg jelly beans, jam sandwich etc

I agree with your comments though Tombie about risks.

More risk surrounds heart condition/stroke than diabetes.

Most chronic illnesses carry varying degrees of risk when it comes to operating and controlling heavy equipment and machinery , especially when medically scripted drugs are involved.

Perhaps it is this reason that a lot of people don't want their personal medical history to be seen by others.

I've had a couple of Hypos and it give you lots of warning, I started to feel funny and knew something was not right. Took some barly sugar and all was ok not long after.
I don't think you would instantly pass out, unless you deliberately neglected the warning signs

**p38arover** · 16th May 2015, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

If you are talking about a person with diabetes becoming hypoglaemic to the point of blacking out , it would be a very , very rare occurrence.

The onset of a hypo happens slowly and a person becomes quite distressed and lethargic long before blackout.

It is quickly rectified by eating fast carbo food eg jelly beans, jam sandwich etc

Maybe the same can be said for a hyper - but that didn't stop my son probably blacking out, crashing his motorcycle, and dying, but not from injuries sustained (none). Others on the ride had noticed he was riding more slowly than they'd have expected.

**Lotz-A-Landies** · 18th May 2015, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Based on that logic are you condoning the operation of heavy equipment by persons medically susceptible to blacking out (having a medical episode) which could endanger life?

Peoples circumstances change - putting others at risk due to them is an acceptable choice.

You will note my post said "may be a thing of the past".

I am not at all saying that people should endanger other road users with a medical condition and that includes car drivers, there are many people with stable Type I and Type II diabetes who continue to drive commercially. But even the diagnosis of sleep apnoea can cause the authorities to suspend a licence until the driver can get medical proof that the condition will not endanger other road users.

The problem is that when the RMS finds out a commercial heavy vehicle driver has a medical condition it can result in the licence being suspended and the driver having to have a barrage of tests and consultations before they get their licence back, all at their own expense (outside Medicare) while they aren't working and earning an income to pay for it. It is far better to be proactive and have the tests, consultations and authorisation first.

The issue is that at the stroke of a pen the government can authorise transfer of personal information between departments and other governments which can seriously impact one's life.

Google has enough information about me already, why should the Government have it too!

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