help needed to save our manufacturing.

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

NOTHING.
Have a look at what these guys are on NOW, and their penalty rates, holidays, rdo's etc etc etc,...and tell me this has got NOTHING to do with the COST of doing things in this Country.
Pickles.

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Actually cfmeu and mua are not mainly manufacturing, that's AWU.
If the MUA get a pay rise it mainly effects the cost of imported goods which is a good thing IMHO.:twisted:
Now just a simple question for you?
What was the average unit price rise in vic last year?
The salesman selling the units the CFMEU bloke made will earn far more than any construction worker, as will his manager. But none of them work in the second most dangerous industry in oz.
P. S background, is it wrong to ask for 3% when your boss has just taken 100%?
Nocookies | The Australian
The clerk in the shop selling imported white goods will be on a similar base rate to the MUA member who unloaded the container, but she is not there at 3 am working in the most dangerous industry in oz.;) Part of their pay is based on their risk.
Then again when the Asciano( they own Patrick's currently) ceo gets $2.4 million in bonuses on top of his 1.9 base wage, $400,000 up from last year, or 15% the MUA are the height of evil in asking for 3% a year and TPD/life/redundancy based on actual wages!
Do or did you have private outside your super, life and disability insurance?
Up until about 3 years ago, if you said waterfront or wharfie or berth operator, they would not offer to insure you. Even now they will charge an absolute fortune for any cover as the job is known to be risky.

I just got home from work. Will post on this later when my blood has stopped boiling. :mad:

Umm.....it's not a 15 percent pay rise, well it is but its five percent each year over the next three years and this is where I have a problem........it's well above CPI. In the current environment I cannot see how anybody can ask for more than CPI.....

Last year my annual adjustment was less than CPI while the wages staff got there increase as per their EA........EA, wages, unions never want to give up anything they just constantly want more.

I reckon a good starting point is everybody on CPI increases that's wages and salary.

Doesn't matter what "sector" it's in,...you don't think this will in any way increase the cost of manufacturing, and help to make us more "competitive".
It's imply ridiculous,...FIFTEEN PERCENT,...and have a look at what these guys are already on,.......that is why this country is going downhill,......these sorts of wages, & conditions, and ++++, and people wonder why we aren't competitive?
FIFTEEN PERCENT?.....Yeah right. Pickles.

What would fair and equitable wages for this sector and other sectors be ? Seems everyone else is paid too much but not those posting. It would be interesting to see some unbiased figures comparing pay , inclusive of holiday and such for full time employed , straight cash for casual and day workers , compared to those in similar economies elsewhere and see how the current rates compare.

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Originally Posted by frantic

Actually cfmeu and mua are not mainly manufacturing, that's AWU.
If the MUA get a pay rise it mainly effects the cost of imported goods which is a good thing IMHO.:twisted:
Now just a simple question for you?
What was the average unit price rise in vic last year?
The salesman selling the units the CFMEU bloke made will earn far more than any construction worker, as will his manager. But none of them work in the second most dangerous industry in oz.
P. S background, is it wrong to ask for 3% when your boss has just taken 100%?
Nocookies | The Australian
The clerk in the shop selling imported white goods will be on a similar base rate to the MUA member who unloaded the container, but she is not there at 3 am working in the most dangerous industry in oz.;) Part of their pay is based on their risk.
Then again when the Asciano( they own Patrick's currently) ceo gets $2.4 million in bonuses on top of his 1.9 base wage, $400,000 up from last year, or 15% the MUA are the height of evil in asking for 3% a year and TPD/life/redundancy based on actual wages!
Do or did you have private outside your super, life and disability insurance?
Up until about 3 years ago, if you said waterfront or wharfie or berth operator, they would not offer to insure you. Even now they will charge an absolute fortune for any cover as the job is known to be risky.

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Most dangerous would be commercial fishing, farming and trucking as a % employed, but maybe not in absolutes. Aren't statistics great, what answer do you want :cool:

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

Doesn't matter what "sector" it's in,...you don't think this will in any way increase the cost of manufacturing, and help to make us more "competitive".
It's imply ridiculous,...FIFTEEN PERCENT,...and have a look at what these guys are already on,.......that is why this country is going downhill,......these sorts of wages, & conditions, and ++++, and people wonder why we aren't competitive?
FIFTEEN PERCENT?.....Yeah right. Pickles.

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Wow 5% per year, we get zero for 3 years ( most have lost $10-15,000),:pso please stop the complaining by comparing a sector that is vast majority export to one that's not.
How would YOU as a manager say " no pay rise of 5%" when you just pocketed 15% or $450,000 in ports systems and your manager mate in construction pocketed $2million extra or a 100% pay rise?

Hmm there is one country getting 12% a year for the last decade and still having over 1000 strikes a year involving more than 1000 employees, in one they where let off for killing a manager, bit extreme, maybe not justified or maybe it was?
Germany got 2.3% for 75,000 steelworkers.
The USA is variable depending on location, a local , also owns mills over there and depending upon exchange rates they are about the same avg pay as us.
The U.K. In some sections of steel had a pay cut, the funny thing is Tata management gave themselves a hefty pay rise at the end of 2015!
Spotted a trend yet?

Frantic, mate I couldn't care less "who gets what",...what I'm saying is that these guys & the wharfies, are already on more money,...better conditions, than most Aussie workers could even dream of,......and they still want, AND GET, more.....and in the case of the CFMEU,...for NO productivity gains!!
Pickles

What is the average rate of pay, and what is a realistic figure please.

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Frantic, mate I couldn't care less "who gets what",...what I'm saying is that these guys & the wharfies, are already on more money,...better conditions, than most Aussie workers could even dream of,......and they still want, AND GET, more.....and in the case of the CFMEU,...for NO productivity gains!!
Pickles

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You may not but I was answering trog;);)

16,000 in mua,,, you target the employees but not their employer who gets 15% in one year?
CFMEU their employer gets a 100% pay rise but the workers are evil for asking for 5%?
Both these unions have little to nothing to do with manufacturing. AGAIN.
The mua is about unloading and occasionally loading ships, oil and gas rigs and the few remaining Aussie sailors.
CFMEU is , well read the letters. Construction, forestry, mining and energy.
Now here is their " productivity gain " [ame]http://www.domain.com.au/group/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Domain_House_Price_Report_June2015.pdf[/ame]
11.7 % property increase in one year, 3.5% in one quarter! so you believe again all the profits should go to the company, none to the employees?
So if the labour cost of a block of apartments , which may be 10-20% , increases by 5%, that means the overall cost to the building company goes up by 1%............
OHH NO how will they survive with only a 10.7% increase in their assets profit margins and value:twisted:

Fishing, trucking and construction all see far more deaths , but with only about 8000 stevedores and just over 1 death per year for the last decade they shoot up to about 14deaths per100,000 employees!
As for answer all i get is anti Union blah to a simple question. Is it right for a manager/ ceo to get a massive pay rise then tell his employees no to a tiny one?