help needed to save our manufacturing.

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Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

I work 4 weeks out of 7, 12 hour shifts. No Public holidays and no annual leave. That means extra Child care expenses, an impaired social life and health issues. Should I accept the same pay as a person with the same skill levels, who has weekends, Public holidays and annual leave?

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Put simply, No, you should get a higher rate to compensate for the lack of holiday pay etc..

You disserve a medal oops no I didn't mean that.

I think the recent debate on penalties misses some of the issues.

Emergency service workers are to be exempt from the loss of penalty rates, however what's missing in the debate is what the penalties are in health.

The penalty on top of the base rate is:

• Afternoon shift (shift starting at 10am and before 1pm) is 10%
• Evening shift (shift starting after 1pm and before 4pm) is 12.5%
• night shift (shift starting after 4pm and before 4am) is 15%
• Saturday shift (hours worked starting from 00.00:01 Saturday morning to 12:00 Saturday night) is 50%
• Sunday shift (hours worked starting from 00.00.01 Sunday morning to 12:00 Sunday night) is 75%

Only on overtime does a double time (200%) rate exist but only after 2 hours at time and a half and triple time doesn't exist.

So if people in other industries want to keep penalties then the ones where double time and triple time exist, then they may have to compromise and fall back to the same rates as health etc.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Then they may have to compromise and fall back to the same rates as health etc.

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As they should..... :cool:

Australia - over priced, over paid... (Me included) ;)

All true Tombie. It is a trade off. With more people working 24/7, more people are needed to service them. I don't think there are too many of them being over compensated though.
An example: Our House would once have been occupied by a single income family, with four or more Kids, on a Tradesman's wages. Now It's occupied by a dual income family on well above average wages with two Kids. A family of the first description would have absolutely no hope. Are we going backwards?
Cheers, Billy.
PS. I don't get penalty rates. Day Shift Night Shift Overtime, Make no difference.

We are.

And cost base has a lot to do with it.

Plus bricks and mortar are completely overvalued since about 2002...

Plus many wanting "all the good stuff now" means large debt base...

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Originally Posted by Tombie

We are.

And cost base has a lot to do with it.

Plus bricks and mortar are completely overvalued since about 2002...

Plus many wanting "all the good stuff now" means large debt base...

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All true again. Which means a few of us are getting more for their efforts and paying less tax. That is why you should never be content with what you get and never stop fighting for more. How much you give away depends on you and how you feel about the plight of others.
Allowing Third wold workers to do our work, doesn't help them, it only helps those who can't get us to do it for the same wages and conditions.
Cheers, Billy

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Put simply, No, you should get a higher rate to compensate for the lack of holiday pay etc..

You disserve a medal oops no I didn't mean that.

I think the recent debate on penalties misses some of the issues.

Emergency service workers are to be exempt from the loss of penalty rates, however what's missing in the debate is what the penalties are in health.

The penalty on top of the base rate is:

• Afternoon shift (shift starting at 10am and before 1pm) is 10%
• Evening shift (shift starting after 1pm and before 4pm) is 12.5%
• night shift (shift starting after 4pm and before 4am) is 15%
• Saturday shift (hours worked starting from 00.00:01 Saturday morning to 12:00 Saturday night) is 50%
• Sunday shift (hours worked starting from 00.00.01 Sunday morning to 12:00 Sunday night) is 75%

Only on overtime does a double time (200%) rate exist but only after 2 hours at time and a half and triple time doesn't exist.

So if people in other industries want to keep penalties then the ones where double time and triple time exist, then they may have to compromise and fall back to the same rates as health etc.

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Emergency and Health Workers are grossly underpaid. That is so sadly true. Probably because they are the easy targets for emotional and moral blackmail.
Cheers, Billy.

As a retired shiftworker (Day, afternoon - 1400, evening - 1700 . and late night 0030 start, I don't think the health issues are anywhere near 'Paid For' by the $hift loading...

- Diabetes 2, . increased risk of cardiac events/heart disease as well as cancers (particularly bowel, so I'm informed) and stroke. Sleep deprivation leading to increased risk of traffic accidents etc.

And we won't even go near the mental / emotional co$t of health degradation and family disruption and marriage strains...

But I'm one of the luckier ones, having missed out on the stroke and cancer, and only a few near-misses on the way home...

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Originally Posted by Tombie

As they should..... :cool:

Australia - over priced, over paid... (Me included) ;)

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Of course we are, but mate, you'd be surprised (or would you?!) how many people simply won't believe you! (Not Me).
Pickles.

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As a retired shiftworker (Day, afternoon - 1400, evening - 1700 . and late night 0030 start, I don't think the health issues are anywhere near 'Paid For' by the $hift loading...

- Diabetes 2, . increased risk of cardiac events/heart disease as well as cancers (particularly bowel, so I'm informed) and stroke. Sleep deprivation leading to increased risk of traffic accidents etc.

And we won't even go near the mental / emotional co$t of health degradation and family disruption and marriage strains...

But I'm one of the luckier ones, having missed out on the stroke and cancer, and only a few near-misses on the way home...

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Definitely not for everyone thats for sure...

I love shift work... I'm far more alert through the night then through the day and suffer no sleep pattern implications from it (both my observations and that of my doctors)..

I found the secret to be prepared... You must eat normal foods, not dive for quick fix foods, remain active and look after yourself.

I only sleep about 4-5 hours in 24 hours at the best of times so doesnt seem to bother me.

With my gym sessions, eating clean and laying off the grog most of the time - I do really well..

Wifey doesnt seem to suffer now shes doing 12hr shifts, but the 7x4 roster was hurting her sleep and health for sure...
On 12s she only does a max of 3 nights and has 5 days off in between.
Shes now a happy shift worker...


I have a friend who went further - a real night owl... ONLY does night shifts... wont do days....

The main issue is not so much wages but being massively undercut where china is selling a ton of steel around $150 less than it costs to make. If it is allowed to continue we will no longer make any here. The questions that others need to.ask is "which industry is next" and "how soon until they target mine"? China is bankrolling 100million tons dumped to basically own a market to.their cost of 15 billion. Once we stopped making steel, how long until they decide to recoup that cost?