Thread: Flinders Ranges NP renamed

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The Europeans would never have given the same river different names would they?

I'm thinking about the Hawkesbury / Nepean river, West of Penrith its the Nepean, at Windsor its Hawkesbury.

Rather than window dressing the indigenous names and welcome to country tokenism, wouldn't it be better to actually do something about their lives? The huge gap in health outcomes, education, and refusing to provide services and employment opportunities in remote locations (forcing them off their traditional lands)?.

I think you missed the point.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Rather than window dressing the indigenous names and welcome to country tokenism, wouldn't it be better to actually do something about their lives? The huge gap in health outcomes, education, and refusing to provide services and employment opportunities in remote locations (forcing them off their traditional lands)?.

I think the size and nature of the problem are not understood. This next post is not meant to be a comment, merely a heads up.

Why Aboriginal politics fail - Creative Spirits

Originally Posted by bob10

I think you missed the point.

I think you missed the point of the reply.

That the same topographical feature may end up with different names in different locations should not preclude their use, be they indigenous, European or neologisms.

In relation to tokenism, renaming something or having groups perform ceremonies that do nothing for the performers lives outside the actual performance but makes the non indigenous population feel good, is worse than window dressing because it hides the fact of real progress, difficult or not.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I think you missed the point of the reply.

That the same topographical feature may end up with different names in different locations should not preclude their use, be they indigenous, European or neologisms.

In relation to tokenism, renaming something or having groups perform ceremonies that do nothing for the performers lives outside the actual performance but makes the non indigenous population feel good, is worse than window dressing because it hides the fact of real progress, difficult or not.

You do not know what you are talking about. This conversation has ended.

Us navy types love Ikara and used it with glee as we should with the coolest Australian made throwing stick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikara_(missile)

Love that Ikara is again honoured and used in some of the oldest and amazing landscapes in our very cool country.

Edit "You do not know what you are talking about. This conversation has ended." Sorry Bob- temporily unended the converstaion before I saw your 'stoper' No offence meant mate

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Us navy types love Ikara and used it with glee as we should with the coolest Australian made throwing stick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikara_(missile)

Love that Ikara is again honoured and used in some of the oldest and amazing landscapes in our very cool country.

Tell you a story about IKARA. Perth went on an Indian Ocean trip, 1973. cut to the chase, the Shah of Iran was still in charge, they were allies of the west, we wanted them to buy IKARA. Organised a test off Bandar Abbas, as part of the demonstration, Derwent was to demonstrate the ability to control an IKARA after we had fired it. Unfortunately, a severe dust storm arose, no one realised IKARA could not receive signals in a severe dust storm, and was last seen heading into the distance. We did not sell IKARA to Iran. Probably just as well, as things turned out.

The point is, All Land that we are all Roving, everywhere across this vast continent, is Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander land. Hundreds of nations in fact, all with different languages and therefore many names for places. We should recognise and acknowledge them all.

Originally Posted by MrLandy

Hundreds of nations in fact, all with different languages and therefore many names for places.

i agree with this

Originally Posted by MrLandy

We should recognise and acknowledge them all.

i dont agree with this.
we might as well rename Italy to the roman republic while we're at it.