Thread: DISCIPLINE THESE DAYS

Originally Posted by squizzyhunter

A good friend of mine teaches full time in south bris and he said that when you say you'll contact the kids parents they will say call them I don't care, he said if he says that to any of the islander kids you could hear a pin drop for the rest of the class.

I suspect that is just moving the physical discipline to another area of responsibility. Not dispensing with it altogether.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I suspect that is just moving the physical discipline to another area of responsibility. Not dispensing with it altogether.

Yes potentially may be the case but don't know if that's the whole story most of the time though

Originally Posted by squizzyhunter

Yep discipline without the respect or understanding can sometimes be the easy way out for us guys as it comes too naturally. If your training a horse would you get sufficient outcomes by punching it in the head but by no means great, on the opposite side of the same coin you could give it all the love and nurturing you like but that won't train it either. Like most things it needs a balanced approach= not just discipline alone (ruling with an iron fist)and not just nurturing alone ("Mummy would prefer you didn't stab her with scissors sweetie, I know your just expressing your feelings but it is interrupting my Facebook time dear")

I think I know what you were trying to say. But perhaps you should say it after a bit more thought. Discipline should not be confused with summary punishment.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I suspect that is just moving the physical discipline to another area of responsibility. Not dispensing with it altogether.

Disagree. Don't know what experience you have with Islander families, my experience is they have a very strong loving family group, the physical part comes in if some one threatens the family group.

Originally Posted by bob10

I think I know what you were trying to say. But perhaps you should say it after a bit more thought. Discipline should not be confused with summary punishment.

Fair enough guys, probably should have been a little more refined given the context .
I do not agree and have never agreed with physical discipline on people and especially not animals.
I am merely trying to state that most of the time when it comes to this topic you always get a hyperpolerisation in either direction and war ensues every time with both sides having partial truths. Disciple and lack of discipline can be both pathological
Cheers

Often the polarisation of views occurs because of the common assumption that discipline necessarily means corporal punishment.

While I am not advocating corporal punishment, it should be noted that there are forms of discipline that could have a more detrimental effect than a light smack across the wrist.

Originally Posted by bob10

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Discipline should not be confused with summary punishment.

Did you mean summary punishment or corporal punishment?

Generally speaking discipline should be summary (administered without delay).

We smacked our kids just on the hand if they did something they shouldn't have. How do you tell a 2 year old not to touch a stove or coffee cup etc they do not understand why. But when you smacked them then they know. We only had to smacked them a couple of times when they where growing up and they got the message. When they went out to Nana's place or friends they never touched anything or climb on lounges etc because they knew how to behave. Never had them throw a fit in the shops as you see today. Because kids are never discipline when they are small. Kids know these days that they can not get smacked and throw it up in parents faces that they can not be touched. I do not believe they should be hit on the head as I have seen some parent do some years back, only on the hand or on the back of the leg. I was smacked when I was a child it did not do any harm to me. Heather