Melbourne Bourke Street in lockdown

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Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

By that reasoning we should just round up everyone who would once have been in the funny farm and simply dispose of them. Then wait for the Ice dealers to produce more for them.
The Asylums weren't shut and sold off because do-gooders don't like seeing people locked up, so much as because, tight arsed bastard taxpayers didn't want to pay for them. Mental health in general, is woefully underfunded. Can we really blame the Looneys if we totally ignore them until they bight us on the arse?

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I agree part of the issue was $$ and out of touch pollies wanting to use the $$ to waste on pet projects and failed policies.

Two of my best friends worked as Psychiatric nurses when institutions like Callan Park and Gladesville Hospital were in full swing. They were trained to deal with people with all levels of mental illness and substance abuse as well as the really violent and criminal mental patients.

They got a clean bed, good food, medical attention, clean clothes and their illness was managed both with medication and occupational therapy.

Closing them down and putting in "half way houses" that they do not attend is a poor excuse for the care they received at the dedicated institution. Sure some had their freedom to move in society restricted or denied but this was based on their condition and response to therapy.

Another good friend's son has had substance abuse issues leading him to become violent towards her and others and they have had to camp in the waiting room and plead with mental health staff to have him scheduled and provided with treatment

Blokes like this bloke in Melbourne may have been in one of these institutions a few years ago getting treatment instead of out on the street with the cops having to try and get him off them.

I'd like to know the reasons why the bail justice approved bail. I assume Premier Andrews would have already asked that question. He could have been remanded in custody until he could have been brought before a magistrate, maybe the following day.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I'd like to know the reasons why the bail justice approved bail. .

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If the laws are similar to SA...here an offender has the RIGHT to bail...it has to be proven why they shouldn't get bail. So any police-charge-sgt, or magistrate is going to have in the back of their mind...what happens if I deny bail...and there is a death in custody...I will be held to account by the coroner..etc...the laws don't back up our police or magistrates, very frustrating. Until these sorts of laws change...offenders will have the rights, and the law abiding public will suffer the consequences.

The magistrates earn the big dollars. They make the big decisions.
If they don't approve bail, the offender should take whatever recourse he can. If they do approve bail, the magistrate should be held accountable, in this case, for his poor decision. I'm sure he would have liability insurance to cover that.

Latest news the offender was too unwell to face a magistrate in person, too unwell, what about the 5 people that he killed. :mad:

There's that thinking. Liability insurance?!?! Half the bloody problem... and one of the reasons the court system is as ****ed as it is..

Evidence, decision, response...
Death in custody - by their own hand not anyone else's problem...

We think everything is driven by the $$$ but it's not... and neither should it be.

The fact is, the law in Aussie, needs to HARDEN UP,.....EVERYWHERE.
As an example, I'll mention our experience when we visited New York in 2001.
We were concerned as to our safety on the streets, where we could walk etc.
We were told, no worries, Mayor Guilliani has hit crime big time, his motto, "You do the crime, you do the time"!..Result?.... 60% decrease in the crime rate,...we were told, "go anywhere you like except Central Park after dark, and ya won't have a problem",...and we didn't.
Too many "Do-Gooders" here,...give him another chance, ah, he was on drugs but he's got a new partner now, he's now got a child & a new life, jail isn't the place for him,.....have ya heard it?.....well so have I, and I'm sick of it,....if this sort of do-gooder treatment of these oxygen thiefs continues, well if that's what ya want, then expect more of the sort of stuff that happened in Bourke st.
Pickles.

Yep, the namby-pamby brigade will say, but what about OUR rights, we can't have a police state. Well, as a law abiding citizen, I am prepared to have my liberties infringed upon now and then, if it means the scum of society are dealt with appropriately. The pendulum has swung too far, and our lives are being ruled by ridiculousness.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

If they do approve bail, the magistrate should be held accountable, in this case, for his poor decision. I'm sure he would have liability insurance to cover that.

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Until this happens nothing will change. It seems that in every field the decision maker is held liable for the consequences.....except for the justice system!!!!:confused:

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Originally Posted by Gordie

Yep, the namby-pamby brigade will say, but what about OUR rights, we can't have a police state. Well, as a law abiding citizen, I am prepared to have my liberties infringed upon now and then, if it means the scum of society are dealt with appropriately. The pendulum has swung too far, and our lives are being ruled by ridiculousness.

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Exactly.
I've just been watching the TV news tonight, and ya've got all the do-gooders saying how terrible it it, ya've got Mayor Doyle talking about the sorrow, how he's gonna "move & arrange the flowers",......but NOTHING,....NOTHING AT ALL, including from "Dan", about what the people in "Power" are going to do, to create laws, that will help to stop this from happening in the future.....NOYHING AT ALL about that,....NOTHING AT ALL about what this arsehole deserves.
Stand by for more wishy washy "rhetoric",...except from me.....don't expect you to agree,....but ya know where my views are.
Pickles.