Thread: another london attack

not antagonising. i've had this option for a long time.
maybe we should be locking up people like me who want to debate laws. cause laws never change and never get debated.

A debate usually consists of people putting forward their opinions with plausible options to solve a problem.
People that just throw negative statements into the discussion without putting forward any opinion as to how to actually solve the problem at hand are usually called "Hecklers".

If the cap fits then wear it

Originally Posted by trout1105

A debate usually consists of people putting forward their opinions with plausible options to solve a problem.
People that just throw negative statements into the discussion without putting forward any opinion as to how to actually solve the problem at hand are usually called "Hecklers".

If the cap fits then wear it

dont have to solve a problem to have a debate.
i dont conciser my statements negative. they are a difference of opinion.
i dont think the terrorist problem can be solved by laws.

i dont think the terrorist problem can be solved by laws.

Ok
Can you expand on that statement?
If the problem cannot be dealt with Lawfully then how do you propose how we can stop these terrorists??

Originally Posted by trout1105

Ok
Can you expand on that statement?
If the problem cannot be dealt with Lawfully then how do you propose how we can stop these terrorists??

it's a cultural problem, i think.
making additional laws is useless for people who dont respect the law.
and "preventative" laws dont always catch people. people always slip past the police.
as i said before, i dont think you can stop these terrorists.


to butcher a well known quote:

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.

Originally Posted by Eevo

you could be locking up an innocent. that's unacceptable.

Is it acceptable to blow up hundreds of people? Your family, perhaps?

No, what would be unacceptable would be for the Police to do nothing because the prospective terrorist "might change his or her mind". "I wasn't really going to do it Officer" simply does not cut it, I'm afraid.

Comparisons to things like speeding are risible, and beneath you.

it's a cultural problem, i think.
making additional laws is useless for people who dont respect the law.
and "preventative" laws dont always catch people. people always slip past the police.
as i said before, i dont think you can stop these terrorists.

The laws as they stand are probably letting terrorist evade prosecution that's why we need New laws and the assistance and cooperation from the leaders of these communities.
The only other alternative is to Remove the entire culture that is producing these terrorists and that would not only be unfair to the majority it would be Un Australian.

Originally Posted by johntins

Is it acceptable to blow up hundreds of people? Your family, perhaps?

No, what would be unacceptable would be for the Police to do nothing because the prospective terrorist "might change his or her mind". "I wasn't really going to do it Officer" simply does not cut it, I'm afraid.

Comparisons to things like speeding are risible, and beneath you.

hundreds of people, no
my family. hmmmm

i'm not condoning murder.
police should be there to deter (and stop). but not to arrest someone for something they have not done.

the comparison is using the same logic and rules.

Originally Posted by trout1105

The laws as they stand are probably letting terrorist evade prosecution that's why we need New laws and the assistance and cooperation from the leaders of these communities.
The only other alternative is to Remove the entire culture that is producing these terrorists and that would not only be unfair to the majority it would be Un Australian.

what new laws would you introduce?
planning is already a crime
being a member of a terror group is already a crime.

neither of these laws stopped these terrorists from doing what they did