Thread: Will they ever learn?

Damn, I missed most of this...

I have noticed all these 4WD shows seem to make the weekend 4wd campers think they are experts...(not aimed at you Tank, riggers and crane drivers are mostly very good, if not they dont last)...

I have a niece and her husband, they deck there 4WD's out with all the gadgets and dig holes with there big fat 4WD tractor tyres. I continually give them heaps about taking the deepest, roughest and most stupid route when going bush. They tell me how hard it is to get to some spots they go, yet my son took me to a spot they love and we went all the way to there camping spot, had a boring look around and drove out that arvo, in a commodore ute...

I know they would struggle going to where the landrover takes me, already proven my road tyres on a stock landrover can make a Nissan Patrol, big 37" muddies, 5 " lift kit, turbo'd with all the gadgets, look like a road only vehicle...

I always get picked on for my non modified Landrover and get told it wont go anywhere they go... It really has less to do with the vehicle than the ability to judge your ground, understand the vehicle, think about the approach/exit and possibly a lot to do with not trying to be a hero but get from A to B... Actually "Common Dog F%^&" or common sense for those not fluent in Australian...

Any truck driver that does paddock work can tell you how fast you can bog a truck but how hard it is to get out... Paddock work with roadtrains takes even more common sense and the one thing I teach people about taking trucks into paddocks, slow and steady.. One thing I will pass on here, (remember trucks where mostly manuals and I didnt drive auto trucks), IDLE! If you go into a paddock thats soft, idle, who cares how long it takes to get from one side to the other, but get there not get bogged... I would go up greasy rises while idling and watch others go backwards... Tyre speed needs to be slow enough to get traction thus you go forward, increase that speed and you loose traction and stop... Sand is the same, slow and steady and if its rocky you go slow so you dont shake the **** out of everything....

Pulling out is generally heavy pull only but snatch straps seem to do well, but like all vehicles, a heavy anchor point... Even trucks have weak points to be careful of... I have never used a snatch strap on a truck or 4wd so cant comment on there use but Tank can tell you, chains snap easily so you take pressure up slowly and then load them...

I feel sorry for the young fella that died, he didnt learn the lesson and he is gone, now his family and friends suffer...

Originally Posted by trout1105

There was obviously an element of "Panic" when Jason got stuck that time.
Ideally Simon should have hooked up to that tree he used to get his truck back upright using his winch and an extension strap/straps and then get Jason to use his rear winch with a snatch block off the back of Simons truck to pull himself out.

Pretty much the way I saw it.

Originally Posted by Wraithe

Damn, I missed most of this...

I have noticed all these 4WD shows seem to make the weekend 4wd campers think they are experts...(not aimed at you Tank, riggers and crane drivers are mostly very good, if not they dont last)...

I have a niece and her husband, they deck there 4WD's out with all the gadgets and dig holes with there big fat 4WD tractor tyres. I continually give them heaps about taking the deepest, roughest and most stupid route when going bush. They tell me how hard it is to get to some spots they go, yet my son took me to a spot they love and we went all the way to there camping spot, had a boring look around and drove out that arvo, in a commodore ute...

I know they would struggle going to where the landrover takes me, already proven my road tyres on a stock landrover can make a Nissan Patrol, big 37" muddies, 5 " lift kit, turbo'd with all the gadgets, look like a road only vehicle...

I always get picked on for my non modified Landrover and get told it wont go anywhere they go... It really has less to do with the vehicle than the ability to judge your ground, understand the vehicle, think about the approach/exit and possibly a lot to do with not trying to be a hero but get from A to B... Actually "Common Dog F%^&" or common sense for those not fluent in Australian...

Any truck driver that does paddock work can tell you how fast you can bog a truck but how hard it is to get out... Paddock work with roadtrains takes even more common sense and the one thing I teach people about taking trucks into paddocks, slow and steady.. One thing I will pass on here, (remember trucks where mostly manuals and I didnt drive auto trucks), IDLE! If you go into a paddock thats soft, idle, who cares how long it takes to get from one side to the other, but get there not get bogged... I would go up greasy rises while idling and watch others go backwards... Tyre speed needs to be slow enough to get traction thus you go forward, increase that speed and you loose traction and stop... Sand is the same, slow and steady and if its rocky you go slow so you dont shake the **** out of everything....

Pulling out is generally heavy pull only but snatch straps seem to do well, but like all vehicles, a heavy anchor point... Even trucks have weak points to be careful of... I have never used a snatch strap on a truck or 4wd so cant comment on there use but Tank can tell you, chains snap easily so you take pressure up slowly and then load them...

I feel sorry for the young fella that died, he didnt learn the lesson and now his family and friends suffer...

Have to agree with all of that. One thing I miss on modern cars is the hand throttle. Just above idle, feet away from the pedals and a stock 4WD will walk almost anywhere. My first ever Civvie 4WD was a G60 Patrol on Jeep Service tyres, and I could get it almost anywhere this way ( sand, not so much ). It's the way the Army taught us back then.

Oh, snatch blocks? I learnt to use them on one of these, and the mechanical advantage is undoubtable.

Originally Posted by johntins

Have to agree with all of that. One thing I miss on modern cars is the hand throttle. Just above idle, feet away from the pedals and a stock 4WD will walk almost anywhere. My first ever Civvie 4WD was a G60 Patrol on Jeep Service tyres, and I could get it almost anywhere this way ( sand, not so much ). It's the way the Army taught us back then.

Oh, snatch blocks? I learnt to use them on one of these, and the mechanical advantage is undoubtable.

You have just bogged the 6x6 .From your winch you run the cable to a bloody big gumtree and via Tree protector hook it up .You then start winching and bugger shear pin breaks .You fix the shear pin attach your single snatch block to the gum tree run the cable thru the block and back to your RP on the bumper.You then start winching pull yourself out and don't break the shear pin Luck or MA ?

AM

I enjoy watching all4adventure and other 4WD shows but they can and do show themselves doing some stupid stuff.
Many of the places these people get themselves into strife in are actually Not that difficult to travel.
I imagine that getting stuck adds some "Drama" to the show and adds the opportunity to "Plug" their sponsors But by doing this it will put off some people from going into these areas unnecessarily.

Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner

You have just bogged the 6x6 .From your winch you run the cable to a bloody big gumtree and via Tree protector hook it up .You then start winching and bugger shear pin breaks .You fix the shear pin attach your single snatch block to the gum tree run the cable thru the block and back to your RP on the bumper.You then start winching pull yourself out and don't break the shear pin Luck or MA ?

AM

If an M543 broke a shear pin pulling itself out of a bog then some lazy bugger hadn't installed the correct pin. The thing is rated way beyond that. That thing, using double or even quad turns would pull an M113A1 APC out of mud over the turret without raising a sweat. Without the extra MA it wouldn't budge it. Obviously you don't want to exceed the rated pull, but it is designed for it.

Originally Posted by johntins

If an M543 broke a shear pin pulling itself out of a bog then some lazy bugger hadn't installed the correct pin. The thing is rated way beyond that. That thing, using double or even quad turns would pull an M113A1 APC out of mud over the turret without raising a sweat. Without the extra MA it wouldn't budge it. Obviously you don't want to exceed the rated pull, but it is designed for it.

OK it was only an example .Change it to a Toyota .Same senario did he get a MA or not?

AM

Well if you think they are idiots, wait till you see "Patriot Games" the new show from the guys from Patriot Campers