Thread: So, who's a dual citizen?

Originally Posted by Wraithe

A servent of the crown...

All of us who signed on the so called dotted line became a "servent of the crown", thus they can do what they like to us as we gave away our rights...

Its enough to make you want to tell the youth, "Dont bother joining"...

Always wondered how far they would go to enforce what we signed......I was always up to the challenge.

An example was receiving a letter from memory when east timor started (97/98 ish) shortly after I had only just discharged saying I could be recall back into the defence force......would have been interesting if the request became formal.

Either way I still recommend joining the defence force as it a reasonability good option for young kids.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

One of her titles is Queen of Australia.
Ironically, our Head of State is disqualified from election to our Federal Parliament because she is a dual citizen.
But she could be elected to state parliaments as they allow dual citizens.
Go figure...

Crazy. And half the Australian population are either first or second generation Australian according to the census. A vast majority would be dual citizens. ...so how is it democratic that half the population can't stand stand for parliament of Australia, in a global world. I would've thought it would be an advantage to have some dual citizens in the house. Not to mention some diversity. Interesting how such a young concept like 'Australia' can already be so antiquated. At least we'll now have marriage equality!

Originally Posted by Zeros

Crazy. And half the Australian population are either first or second generation Australian according to the census. A vast majority would be dual citizens. ...so how is it democratic that half the population can't stand stand for parliament of Australia, in a global world. I would've thought it would be an advantage to have some dual citizens in the house. Not to mention some diversity. Interesting how such a young concept like 'Australia' can already be so antiquated. At least we'll now have marriage equality!

Well, this should stir up the newbies and johnny-come-latelys. I would like to sse state and federal parliamentarians exclusively drawn from a category of Australian citizenship I call "Birthright Australian Citizens". Persons born in Australia to two Australian citizens neither of whom hold any foreign citizenship or entitlement thereto. This could perhaps be extended to the senior ranks of the public services and qangos. Australia run by Australians for Australians. New arrivals often require several generations to assimilate. Just look at the migrant ghettos in Sydney and Melbourne and to a lesser extent in Brisbane-Ipswich.

Originally Posted by Zeros

Crazy. And half the Australian population are either first or second generation Australian according to the census. A vast majority would be dual citizens. ...so how is it democratic that half the population can't stand stand for parliament of Australia, in a global world. I would've thought it would be an advantage to have some dual citizens in the house. Not to mention some diversity. Interesting how such a young concept like 'Australia' can already be so antiquated. At least we'll now have marriage equality!

It's not crazy at all. What is crazy is your misinformed comment.
You just don't know the section 44 wording, how it is written, what it means. Section 44 does not prohibit first or second generation Australians from sitting in federal parliament at all. Just people who hold dual citizenship or are employed by the state.
It's very simple, really. All a person who wishes to stand for parliament needs to do is get Australian citizenship and make sure they cancel all their citizenships (and potential citizenships) from other countries. Getting the appropriate documentation as proof, of course.
As in "employed by the state", they have to quit their government paid job.
If section 44 didn't exist, we could find this country being run by foreign nationals.

Now, thinking about it, that might save this country some money. We could outsource our government to India. Public service as well.

You talk about a global world. Australia is more "global" than other countries. In America, you can't be president unless you were born in America. And this from a country that prides itself being built on immigration.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Well, this should stir up the newbies and johnny-come-latelys. I would like to sse state and federal parliamentarians exclusively drawn from a category of Australian citizenship I call "Birthright Australian Citizens". Persons born in Australia to two Australian citizens neither of whom hold any foreign citizenship or entitlement thereto. This could perhaps be extended to the senior ranks of the public services and qangos. Australia run by Australians for Australians. New arrivals often require several generations to assimilate. Just look at the migrant ghettos in Sydney and Melbourne and to a lesser extent in Brisbane-Ipswich.

Why would anyone want to become a citizen if they're not going to be any better off than if they are not ?

bring back the law: cant own land unless your a citizen

Australian born to be pollie sounds good... Other countries have that idea... no dual citizens in parliament sounds good(Who you representing, Australia or the other country your a citizen with)...

Renouncing the country you come from to become a citizen and become an Aussie, dont come here if you dont want to live as an Australian under our way of life(the laws are crap but they are our laws, our way of life is not bad at all so live by it)...

I dont condemn any religion but if you come to my place, talk about it but dont tell me I have to follow your beliefs, the only religion I regard as of this land is the Aboriginals belief's, they where here before us...

I accept anyone coming here to be an aussie as my family did and I am a descendant of that way...

We are a very mixed country and an example is a friend of my sons and i, who was born in Meekatharra, was asked where his family is from... He said Scotland, he is nearly as black as full blood Aboriginal but has Scottish and Aboriginal ancestry... He regards himself as a descendant of both...

The idea of renouncing your past country was explained to me by a friend who came to Australia to become an aussie, he was from Yugoslavia and a Muslim... His first week in Australia he got told Aussies go to the pub fridays after work, drink beer and have bbq's on the weekend... So he fell in love with a cold after a hot day, friday nights at the pub, bbq's on the weekend with family and friends and then he got told about bacon and egg brekkies tasting good...
He wanted to be an aussie first, he still follows Islam but said its a bit hard to stop the tractor in the paddock and pray so he leaves that til the weekend as long as he isnt working the farm...He also said, those that follow god, irrelevant of the name of there belief, its still god, should be a cobber first and help everyone, thats australian to him...Mind you, he did get corrupted a little, he said if some one peeves you off at church(mosque for him) and they poke you with a finger, flatten them..Its why he is no longer allowed in any local Mosques..

He comes across like a typical Aussie, few know he was raised a muslim and he will sit at any table and eat... Perfect example of some one who wanted to be aussie, not a foriegnor in this country...

There are lots of people that came here to get away from the troubles of home and they come from every country in the world, just like the first fleet, only majority of english where the guards and officers, rest where the trash they wanted dumped...

Lets get over this and get the government sorted, those that have broken our political process must stand down and do the right thing, how can you be loyal to our country when you have loyalties to another...

Originally Posted by weeds

Always wondered how far they would go to enforce what we signed......I was always up to the challenge.

An example was receiving a letter from memory when east timor started (97/98 ish) shortly after I had only just discharged saying I could be recall back into the defence force......would have been interesting if the request became formal.

Either way I still recommend joining the defence force as it a reasonability good option for young kids.

All my records say "Medical discharge" except the discharge code, that is numbered as "Discharge at own request"...

As such I am able to be recalled at any time...

Another thing few know about and I would not have known if not for a friend... He was moving a heap of files, they where not in the normal filing cabinet that criminal records are in... He had a little read about the names listed on them, all where ex service, listing how dangerous, where there family are, how to approach, possible problems when arresting etc etc... He found my name in there and was able to tell what training I had, if I was dangerous, how to approach...

That got my goat up about our lovely, respectable government... My worst offence in my life, was telling a cop where he could shove his breathalyzer when my neighbour was threatening to kil my son and I... All I did wrong was stand out the front of the neighbours and tell himk to come and take his best shot...(I was living in a unit for 6 months while waiting for a home to be ready, its probably why I hate towns)..and this offence was 20 years after my friend told me about these records, at that stage I had done nothing, not even a speeding ticket...

Dont know if they still do but I am sure they are doing this still as I have had some strange things happen involving the police, only ones I have no problem with is the ex-service officers, they just come across as nice and casual like the rest of us...Plus they dont rock up 6 others just to ask a question, they are usually alone...

What a lovely system we have, reminds me of history, the monarchs hiding behind walls away from the poeple, government doing the same just in case the people revolt... If you treat the people equally then you would have no reason to hide...
Also stop stirring trouble for the people, trouble makers get sorted in the end...

I will tell the youth what there in for, if they get injured, expect a long process for assistance... If they go into civilian jobs and get injured then they can get looked after, just be wise about things and be honest then something somebody did wrong to cause your injury will be held accountable in some way...