Thread: Can the seller be also liable - Duty of Care?

Originally Posted by donh54

Only on the roads that are gazetted as Type II road train routes (just like real truck drivers have to do).

Chances of a problem regarding interstate rules and regs, IMHO, are directly proportional to the level of stupidity, ignorance or irascibility you display when driving, or when communicating with an officer of said State.

Road trains can only operate in designated geographical areas and in some cases only on designated roads. Mr. Mildura if allowed to tow his double in Qld. (unlikely by the tone for the reply from the TMR) would have to drop off his second trailer when leaving these areas and return for it after dropping off the lead trailer.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Road trains can only operate in designated geographical areas and in some cases only on designated roads. Mr. Mildura if allowed to tow his double in Qld. (unlikely by the tone for the reply from the TMR) would have to drop off his second trailer when leaving these areas and return for it after dropping off the lead trailer.

As has been said many times before, the setup in Mildura is NOT a road train.
It is too short. Road train restrictions DO NOT apply to this vehicle.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Road trains can only operate in designated geographical areas and in some cases only on designated roads. Mr. Mildura if allowed to tow his double in Qld. (unlikely by the tone for the reply from the TMR) would have to drop off his second trailer when leaving these areas and return for it after dropping off the lead trailer.

Umm, It's not a toad train...

Originally Posted by Homestar

Umm, It's not a toad train...

The point is it is an illegal combination in all states. Note that ALL STATES includes Victoria . See the road rules and towing regulations on the individual state web sites. apparently a private sector engineer has issued a report and someone in Vicroads accepted this thus approving an illegal vehicle to engage in an illegal activity.

See Post#128. Qld. TMR unequivocally state that this combination can not be operated legally in Qld. The Vic. VASS is not accepted by TMR and TMR has no legislative authority to approve such a combination. The only chance he has of operating in Qld as a light vehicle multi-combination is by getting a prime mover of 4.5+ tonnes Manufacturers GVM and applying for a Road Train Permit. Most unlikely that such would be granted and if granted would restrict operation under the Road Train rules. He could, of course, buy two proper trailers as well as the heavy prime mover and bung his boat and caravan up on them (road train again) or one 40' semi-trailer to take them both.

NSW RMS gave me a similar reply per a telephone call and call back to their head office in Sydney.

The Mildura setup is not a road train. With two trailers and two articulation points, it has to be classed as a B double. If it is under 19 metres it will have general access, that is if it is legal.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

NSW RMS gave me a similar reply per a telephone call and call back to their head office in Sydney.

I had an interesting conversation with RMS today.
I have a Stage 1 that has a V8 petrol instead of the original 4cyl diesel, is a tray instead of the original wagon, coil springs instead of the original leaf springs and disc brakes instead of the original drums. Oh, it is 9" shorter too.
It has an independent engineers report from before the VAS Scheme and is currently registered in Victoria.
I said I had read I will not be able to drive it in NSW as the engineering modifications may not be recognised in NSW.
I was told, as long as it satisfies the conditions of registration in it's home state, and I am only temporarily in NSW, I will be able to drive it in NSW.
The fellow in Mildura satisfies these conditions, therefore, he can drive it in NSW.
The person at RMS directed me to this website:
Get a NSW registration - Registration - Roads - Roads and Maritime Services

Interstate vehicles

Any vehicle (including a caravan or trailer), which is driven on NSW roads must be registered in NSW. An exemption to this requirement applies when the vehicle is:

temporarily in NSW, and
currently registered in another state (‘the home state’), and
displaying all the number plates and registration labels required by the home state.

Apparently, that's good enough for them.

Its how you ask the question. If you start mentioning things like "road trains" (which is not applicable in this situation), you will get incorrect, misinformed answers.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

The point is it is an illegal combination in all states. Note that ALL STATES includes Victoria . See the road rules and towing regulations on the individual state web sites. apparently a private sector engineer has issued a report and someone in Vicroads accepted this thus approving an illegal vehicle to engage in an illegal activity.

See Post#128. Qld. TMR unequivocally state that this combination can not be operated legally in Qld. The Vic. VASS is not accepted by TMR and TMR has no legislative authority to approve such a combination. The only chance he has of operating in Qld as a light vehicle multi-combination is by getting a prime mover of 4.5+ tonnes Manufacturers GVM and applying for a Road Train Permit. Most unlikely that such would be granted and if granted would restrict operation under the Road Train rules. He could, of course, buy two proper trailers as well as the heavy prime mover and bung his boat and caravan up on them (road train again) or one 40' semi-trailer to take them both.

NSW RMS gave me a similar reply per a telephone call and call back to their head office in Sydney.

No, it's quite legal in Vic with certification - the regs for this have been posted previously in this thread and the wording is unambiguous - it IS legal - with a VASS certificate and VicRoads approval - that's beyond doubt and question - are you not reading the links posted? I'm not making it up, I posted a link to the Vicroads website which you clearly haven't read...

We have moved to is it legal to take interstate which the answer appears to be yes.

Keep up will you...

Fascinating discussion. Not getting heated at all, much. On a forum that has threads about putting LS1/2/3s in County LRs, Modding chassis, modding brakes, modding steering, converting cars into utes, utes into wagons, fitting portals, converting to 6WD, swapping bodies, changing GVM, changing wheel diameters, changing wheel off-sets, deleting emission controls, and the list goes on, ALL of which require approval, 99% require a VASS certification, and everyone who has posted on this thread would be happy to accept that, once the VASS certification was there, that the modded vehicle could be registered, and we have people getting bent out of shape over this? Seriously? All of the things I mention are inherently dangerous. If this combo has been cerified, then where is the problem? The truck drivers here will know that trucks get modified ALL the time. Trailers too. Chassis shortening, chassis lengthening, more axles, less axles, engine changes, suspension changes, brake changes. It happens with ships, it happens with aircraft, it happens with bridges, it happens with buildings. It is why you cannot buy an engineering degree, that is recognised here, off the internet.

If this combo has been approved by a VASS, and has been accepted by VicRoads, it doesn't matter a jot what you or I think. Get over it.

Oh, it has been said already, but do please feel free to visit the Roads site of your choice and peruse the definition of "Road Train". It can be enlightening for those who do not know what one is, and there seem to be plenty here that fit that bill.