God V8 Discoveries are getting cheap

**PhilipA** · 21st February 2006, 01:39 PM

OK , I can't resist.
Yes a diesel is much cheaper on fuel .
BUT that is the only thing a diesel is better at. Oh forgot fuel range.

1 Overtaking -V8 every time
2 climbing steep hills and overtaking on a hill , forget it.
3 Acceleration. Once a chipped (I assume) or delusions of grandeur D2 tried to drag me from the tolls at the M5. I had 5 people in and he had 1. within 100 metres he was about 30 behind. UK tests tested the hottest chipped diesels on a VERY cold day. None beat about 13 seconds 0-60. SLOOOW.

4 Reliability-. Yeah V8 s do head gaskets, and just about nothing else. Diesels seem to do everything at eye watering cost. Just one diesel problem seems to be the cost of a brand new V8. And one problem buys a lot of petrol.
5 Slow off road work-. I am in the discovery club. Lots of disco diesels. Trying to get up a step in a diesel auto. Nothiiiing, nothiiing, LOTS of power. Oops there go the sills. V8 pulls consistently from about 800rpm.
6 Sand work- steep hill diesel no go
7 Diesel is dead under the foot. A V8 feels alive and responsive and sounds luvverly.
8 Diesel finicky on fuel. On our recent club trips the only stopping problems we have had are diesels not going properly from dirty fuel.

I believe you ain't seen nuthin yet on the difference between diesel fuel price and petrol.
The V8 defence rests.
Regards Philip A

**Ace** · 21st February 2006, 01:47 PM

There is always a gas conversion. A very viable option if you arent straying to far from civilisation. matt

**incisor** · 21st February 2006, 01:55 PM

what the hell have you been smokin, diesel fumes?

v8's are renown for dropping dead with ignition module woes..

fuel pump woes are pretty dam common as well

i wont bother to mention the soft cams...

never had a problem with my auto diesel on sandy hills, more id-ten-t error than mechanical inability i think..

ummmm v8 water pump = $275.00, diesel waterpump = $88.00 .... oops nuther theory out the door....

so you get to the next garage quicker, by the time you fill up we have gone past anyway

yawn ........ :wink: :wink:

**Ace** · 21st February 2006, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by incisor
what the hell have you been smokin, diesel fumes?

v8's are renown for dropping dead with ignition module woes..

fuel pump woes are pretty dam common as well

i wont bother to mention the soft cams...

never had a problem with my auto diesel on sandy hills, more id-ten-t error than mechanical inability i think..

ummmm v8 water pump = $275.00, diesel waterpump = $88.00 .... oops nuther theory out the door....

so you get to the next garage quicker, by the time you fill up we have gone past anyway

yawn ........ :wink: :wink:

i conccur.

**dungarover** · 21st February 2006, 03:00 PM

You can all crap on about your diesel fuel economy but I'll still be driving my V8 Rangie when prices go up

Water pumps at the most are less than $200 if you shop around. The price that Incisor quoted is possibly LR price. No offense, you have to be a goose to buy parts from the dealers 8O

Cams, only at 200K mark and that's at the most. Cams are still cheaper to replace than a timing belt on a tdi (close to a grand I heard at a workshop, maybe wrong :? ).

Ignition problems- Carry a spare ignition amplifier/modulator, even new ones for RR classics aren't that dear new and cheap insurance. I happen to have a spare so I'm okay. Waterproofing your V8 isn't too difficult, a good excuse to get in the shed and modify your Rangie/Disco

Each to there own I guess, it's an age-old arguement.

Back on topic, a V8 Disco 2 is still a good buy even if it's a bit exxy to run. LPG is negative economy now with prices well into the 60c/liter mark now and pertol in QLD at $1.06 at some Brissie servos today it's not much of a saving for all that money spent on a conversion.

Just my thoughts,

Trav

**NOZ** · 21st February 2006, 03:17 PM

Look I agree with points from both sides of the discussion, but I think no matter how you look at it the gap between the too has narrowed and as deisel fuel increases it will continue to narrow

**PhilipA** · 21st February 2006, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by incisor
what the hell have you been smokin, diesel fumes?

v8's are renown for dropping dead with ignition module woes..

fuel pump woes are pretty dam common as well

i wont bother to mention the soft cams...

never had a problem with my auto diesel on sandy hills, more id-ten-t error than mechanical inability i think..

ummmm v8 water pump = $275.00, diesel waterpump = $88.00 .... oops nuther theory out the door....

so you get to the next garage quicker, by the time you fill up we have gone past anyway

yawn ........ :wink: :wink:

Thats another one- Chipped Diesel owners must be the most inconsiderate people in the World. Every chipped diesel I have seen smokes like an old steam train and to follow even a standard one on a trail makes my wife nauseous from the fumes.

What about the parts list?. It all adds up to about a grand on a V8.
A TD5 head gasket which many times equals new head is about $5000, or $2000 just for labour. TD5 oil pumps Kerbang. What was the quote $17000???
I think diesel drivers have lots of time to rationalise on all the fuel they are saving as they climb slowly up hills, and then ignorer the noise, lack of power,smoke, peaky no bottom end performance etc etc.
Regards Philip A

**Lucy** · 21st February 2006, 03:37 PM

I couldn't decide, that is why I have one of each 8)

**dungarover** · 21st February 2006, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Lucy
I couldn't decide, that is why I have one of each 8)

Best of both worlds, stops all the arguements

Trav

**incisor** · 21st February 2006, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by aquarangie
You can all crap on about your diesel fuel economy but I'll still be driving my V8 Rangie when prices go up

Water pumps at the most are less than $200 if you shop around. The price that Incisor quoted is possibly LR price. No offense, you have to be a goose to buy parts from the dealers 8O

both from the same place... i wanted to keep it relative

Originally posted by aquarangie

Cams, only at 200K mark and that's at the most. Cams are still cheaper to replace than a timing belt on a tdi (close to a grand I heard at a workshop, maybe wrong :? ).

you are

400 bucks at most for the timing belt change....

Originally posted by aquarangie

Ignition problems- Carry a spare ignition amplifier/modulator, even new ones for RR classics aren't that dear new and cheap insurance. I happen to have a spare so I'm okay. Waterproofing your V8 isn't too difficult, a good excuse to get in the shed and modify your Rangie/Disco

while us diesel drivers are out enjoying the countryside....

Originally posted by aquarangie

Each to there own I guess, it's an age-old arguement.

Back on topic, a V8 Disco 2 is still a good buy even if it's a bit exxy to run. LPG is negative economy now with prices well into the 60c/liter mark now and pertol in QLD at $1.06 at some Brissie servos today it's not much of a saving for all that money spent on a conversion.

Just my thoughts,

Trav

i agree gas is an utter waste of time, and petrol discos are better than diesels around town, no argument... but if you do any serious milage they are way to dear to run...unless of course you are better off than the average joe blow...

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