Thread: Another snatch strap death

Originally Posted by Eevo

i love that show.

So do I .
I think it is where the guys at All4Adventure got their inspiration

Originally Posted by trout1105

Personally I cannot see the point in flogging the guts out of my 4WD just to climb a particular hill or to cross some swamp just to impress people or to prove a point, That is Not my "Bag".

Recoveries are something I do because I HAVE to and are not something I relish doing because Every recovery regardless of how simple it appears to be has the potential to go pear shaped and has the potential to damage machinery and people so I try my very best to avoid situations where a recovery is likely.

Sometimes it’s not to impress... it’s like climbing Everest etc. sometimes you want to know you can..

Years ago recoveries was what we did for fun and learning...
Pushing vehicles to the edge of capability and then recovering them...
It was training, learning, experience...

I remember a 6 hour recovery on a Salt pan... that was interesting.

I think its better to muck around a bit and get stuck, and recover, have some epics, than live in a bubble of fear, conservatism and reticence.

Originally Posted by rammypluge

I think its better to muck around a bit and get stuck, and recover, have some epics, than live in a bubble of fear, conservatism and reticence.

When you have "Been there Done that"

fear, conservatism and reticence.

has absolutely Nothing to do with anything, It's called Common Sense and Experience

Originally Posted by trout1105

[...] I never intentionally seek out the "hard core Stuff" and I am quite happy to look for the easiest route to where I want to go and go around an obstacle or a boggy area whenever I can.
Personally I cannot see the point in flogging the guts out of my 4WD just to climb a particular hill or to cross some swamp just to impress people or to prove a point, That is Not my "Bag". [...]

I get it that you personally avoid hard core stuff. And you don’t see the point of flogging a vehicle to bag a peak. That really doesn’t bear repeating. (And to a degree it’s also my attitude - am long past the age where the blood, sweat and tears of working so hard was enjoyable).

The context, the points I was trying to make are:
- it’s not just the people you call out, “stupid people”, “drunks” or people just out to “impress” who can get stuck so badly a recovery may involve huge forces

- some people do simply enjoy the challenge of hard core stuff and any heavyweight recovery situations that arise. They are allowed to have that view on life. Even if you and I would rather not work so hard.

- and finally, some people, despite wishing and planning to avoid heavyweight recovery situations do occasionally end up stuck so bad that huge forces are part of the recovery.

So anyone making an assertion that says “I don’t need hard core recovery points because I always take the chicken track and am neither drunk nor stupid nor out to impress” - just doesn’t cut it.

This is because none of us are perfect. Thus there is a chance that we may be stuck hard one day. And if we are without proper recovery points then we will be the people that people like laney are unwilling to assist personally for the lack of good recovery points on the stuck vehicle.

Originally Posted by trout1105

When you have "Been there Done that" has absolutely Nothing to do with anything, It's called Common Sense and Experience

In that case its simply choice.

Originally Posted by trout1105

When you have "Been there Done that" has absolutely Nothing to do with anything, It's called Common Sense and Experience

Having “never” been in that style of recovery; how can you claim experience?

You have none!


My crew are asked to work in areas where there are no choices on access, and things do happen...

No Bunnings car park recoveries here...

Originally Posted by tact

This is because none of us are perfect. Thus there is a chance that we may be stuck hard one day. And if we are without proper recovery points then we will be the people that people like laney are unwilling to assist personally for the lack of good recovery points on the stuck vehicle.

I dont think thats the full story though.

To give one example, the vehicle that a person drives plays a major role. If say a person has a 4t dual cab 70 series on small tyres, and sink it in a deep boghole so its sitting on its diffs and they need to be dragged through the mud to get it up and out of the steep edged hole, thats quite different to me getting my Amarok bogged in the same hole. I have got my Amarok completely bogged in deep sodden seaweed for example, and yet it still only required a gentle tow to get it out.

And i reckon with experience you really can avoid big time recoveries. You can judge that that boghole is a major risk and test its depth.

If any vehicle i owned got so bogged i judged the tow points were needed and werent satisfactory for a winch recovery, i would look at other options, and out of an array of options one of those might be to sling around a lower wishbone.

Recently i recovered a ranger with no decent rear recovery or even tow point, and i worked out that we could attach a bow shackle to each rear spring shackle, add an equaliser and it was good to go.

With experience and knowledge comes the ability to safely improvise. Rockclimbing taught me a bit about that, you just cant carry much when you are hanging off the side of a cliff.