Thread: spare tyres - actual times you needed a second spare

Originally Posted by rammypluge

Is it possible that some LR owners dont rotate their tyres because they have constant 4wd, and not much power, braking, steering lock, or tendency towards cornering speed? Just a bit perplexed.

I guess if you ensure you have a decent wheel alignment, you maintain appropriate tyre pressures, dont have suspension quirks, and have constant 4wd, you are a substantial step towards not needing to rotate tyres.

I haven't needed to rotate the tyres on my D2a because they have all worn evenly over the last 60k

Originally Posted by rammypluge

I have scottish blood in me and the number of people i see that have a brand new spare that never gets used, what a waste. Then you sell the car or buy another different set of tyres which might also be a different size, and then you have issues.

Maybe some people dont quite twig that if you get 60,000km out of four tyres, you will get 75,000km out of five.

So let’s work that out...

Assumptions: Tyre is $300 each.

4 tyres wear out at 60,000km; 60,000/($300*4)=50km/$
5 tyres wear out at 75,000km; 75,000/($300*5)=50km/$

No saving, potentially a cost if you pay someone for the rotation


What nobody seems to be acknowledging is that by 50% wear a tyre for offroad use is nigh on useless... I buy tyres to perform, not to last. So my spare stays where it is until the new rubber is needed (2-3 years) and then it goes on the RHR and a new spare goes on the back.

If for whatever reason the rubber isn’t worn enough to justify replacement, come 5 years it goes in the bin regardless.

Originally Posted by rammypluge

Is it possible that some LR owners dont rotate their tyres because they have constant 4wd, and not much power, braking, steering lock, or tendency towards cornering speed? Just a bit perplexed.

I guess if you ensure you have a decent wheel alignment, you maintain appropriate tyre pressures, dont have suspension quirks, and have constant 4wd, you are a substantial step towards not needing to rotate tyres.

That concept falls apart when you consider a D4 isn’t lacking power, brakes or steering lock and will corner quite well for its mass.

I haven’t rotated tyres on any vehicle I’ve owned in the last 30 years...

Originally Posted by Tombie

So let’s work that out...

Assumptions: Tyre is $300 each.

4 tyres wear out at 60,000km; 60,000/($300*4)=50km/$
5 tyres wear out at 75,000km; 75,000/($300*5)=50km/$

No saving, potentially a cost if you pay someone for the rotation


What nobody seems to be acknowledging is that by 50% wear a tyre for offroad use is nigh on useless... I buy tyres to perform, not to last. So my spare stays where it is until the new rubber is needed (2-3 years) and then it goes on the RHR and a new spare goes on the back.

If for whatever reason the rubber isn’t worn enough to justify replacement, come 5 years it goes in the bin regardless.

And wet on road braking/handling is not real good either from about 60% of wear onwards.

So, the argument being offered is that if you have a secondhand tyre suitable for use as a spare, then you may as well use it as a spare?

Originally Posted by rammypluge

So, the argument being offered is that if you have a secondhand tyre suitable for use as a spare, then you may as well use it as a spare?

On many occasions the spare is only used to get to where you can either repair or replace the flat/buggered tyre So I imagine you could get away with using a old tyre as a spare in the City or Major town.
If you are in the middle of the scrub and you have to travel a long distance to get the tyre repaired/replaced it makes perfect sense that the spare is a new or nearly new tyre as is carrying an extra spare.
You can always "Wing It" and hope for the best using an old tyre as a spare or not carry an extra spare But I prefer not to.

Originally Posted by Tombie

So let’s work that out...

Assumptions: Tyre is $300 each.

4 tyres wear out at 60,000km; 60,000/($300*4)=50km/$
5 tyres wear out at 75,000km; 75,000/($300*5)=50km/$

No saving, potentially a cost if you pay someone for the rotation


What nobody seems to be acknowledging is that by 50% wear a tyre for offroad use is nigh on useless... I buy tyres to perform, not to last. So my spare stays where it is until the new rubber is needed (2-3 years) and then it goes on the RHR and a new spare goes on the back.

If for whatever reason the rubber isn’t worn enough to justify replacement, come 5 years it goes in the bin regardless.

Buying a new tyre, letting it sit for years, possibly in the sun, then using it, means you are stuck buying the same size, brand and type of tyre again, if they are still available, and are mixing them with an old, hardened tyre. You will be stuck with this size and model tyre again next time, so it probably wont still be available, and even if it is it will be old technology.

Originally Posted by rammypluge

Buying a new tyre, letting it sit for years, possibly in the sun, then using it, means you are stuck buying the same size, brand and type of tyre again, if they are still available, and are mixing them with an old, hardened tyre. You will be stuck with this size and model tyre again next time, so it probably wont still be available, and even if it is it will be old technology.

I won’t be stuck, I can over ride my Scottish blood; and just throw the tyre away

But I know what you’re saying.

I do enough that the tyres are gone in 2 years for the next set.. benefit of fitting the crossover with D4 wheels is that I can send them there at 50% tread and finish them off to around 30% . The crossover currently has a never roaded spare which will move onto the axle with the D4 spare shortly...