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    These scammers get sneakier...

    I got this sent to me today...


    And I'm not sure that even a cynic like me might not have got bitten if they called me...


    Read and beware friends

    Subject: FW: Credit card scam - from vic police





    Be Warned
    Note, the callers do not ask for your card number; they already have it.

    This information is worth reading.

    By understanding how the VISA & MasterCard Telephone Credit Card Scam works, you'll be better prepared to protect yourself.
    One of our employees was called on Wednesday from "VISA", and I was called on Thursday from "MasterCard".

    The scam works like this:
    Person calling says, "This is (name), and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My Badge number is 12460 Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card which was issued by (name of bank). Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for $497.99 from a Marketing company based in Arizona?" When you say "No", the caller continues with, "Then we will be issuing a credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching and the charges range from $297 to $497, just under the $500 purchase pattern that flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to (gives you your address), is that correct?"

    You say "yes". The caller continues - "I will be starting a Fraud investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 1- 800 number listed on the back of your card (1-800-VISA) and ask for Security.

    You will need to refer to this Control Number. The caller then gives you a 6 digit number. "Do you need me to read it again?"

    Here's the IMPORTANT part on how the scam works.
    The caller then says, "I need to verify you are in possession of your card". He'll ask you to "turn your card over and look for some numbers"
    There are 7 numbers; the first 4 are part of your card number, the next 3 are the security Numbers that verify you are the possessor of the card.
    These are the numbers you sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card. The caller will ask you to read the 3 numbers to him. After you tell the caller the 3 numbers, he'll say, "That is correct, I just needed to verify that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your card. Do you have any other questions?" After you say No, the caller then thanks you and states, "Don't hesitate to call back if you do", and hangs up. You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20 minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA Security Department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase of $497.99 was charged to our card.
    Long story made short - we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA account. VISA is reissuing us a new number. What the scammers want is the 3-digit PIN number on the back of the card. Don't give it to them.
    Instead, tell them you'll call VISA or Master card directly for verification of their conversation. The real VISA told us that they will never ask for anything on the card as they already know the information since they issued the card! If you give the scammers your 3 Digit PIN Number, you think you're receiving a credit. However, by the time you get your statement you'll see charges for purchases you didn't make, and by then it's almost to late and/or more difficult to actually file a fraud report.
    What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from a "Jason Richardson of MasterCard" with a word-for-word repeat of the VISA scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up! We filed a police report, as instructed by VISA. The police said they are taking several of these reports daily! They also urged us to tell everybody we know that this scam is happening.

    Please pass this on to all your family and friends. By informing each other, we protect each other.

    Edward S. Warchulski
    Detective Senior Sergeant 17927
    Keilor Downs Crime Investigation Unit.
    * DX 211969
    ( 9365 3341
    Ê 93653347
    : edward.warchulski@police.vic.gov.au



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    well i'm safe

    i dont have a credit card
    130's rule

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    Originally posted by hiline
    well i'm safe

    i dont have a credit card


    <span style="color:blue">same boat....but i better warn the wife.....</span>

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    I never understand how the scam works once they get your details!

    Even if someone gets your card number and 3 digit security code from the back, they still have to buy something or pay for something using your information.

    Do they get goods delivered to a false address? There's no point paying one of their own bills (like a power bill) with it, or it will be traced pretty easily. If they go into a store, they don't actually have the card, so that won't work.

    What do they do to get the benefit of having your details?

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    <span style="color:blue">they could shop over the net to buy goods and have them sent to dodgy addresses....
    or addresses of people who are away on holidays.....

    or they may have a legitimate business running and use these details
    to make false sales.....keeping the goods and your dollars......


    or even have things delivered to their own addresses and just deny any
    knowledge of the purchase if the question arises.....


    ad many other ways.....</span>

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    This scam was running in Europe some time ago.

    Thanks for the reminder. I done have a C card but many people do

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    This story has been around several times before..it's a waste of band width.

    It's really simple use cash if you can't manage a credit card..it has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with naivety.
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    Hey Mahn,

    I don't see this one as a waste of bandwidth - I'm sorry if you do.

    I agree it has nothing to do with the technology - the reason for posting it - was that it is a sneaky twist on many credit card scams that I have not seen before.

    I see thousands of scam emails etc in my job - this seemed different.

    I thought I might help protect some people here from being burned - I use my credit card purely for business reasons and yes I can manage it thank you.

    I was simply trying to help others - if you don't like it...tough.

    Mark
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    Originally posted by Bytemrk
    Hey Mahn,

    I don't see this one as a waste of bandwidth - I'm sorry if you do.

    I agree it has nothing to do with the technology - the reason for posting it - was that it is a sneaky twist on many credit card scams that I have not seen before.

    I see thousands of scam emails etc in my job - this seemed different.

    I thought I might help protect some people here from being burned - I use my credit card purely for business reasons and yes I can manage it thank you.

    I was simply trying to help others - if you don't like it...tough.

    Mark
    Sorry Mark if I offend it wasn't meant that way...of course you are right and I certainly would not question your good motives.

    I have seen this emailed warning before and it has been debunked.

    It is just that there is so much of this going around.

    I receive advice from my bank and credit provider advising some simple rules about maintaining security. I trust them rather than someone called

    Edward S. Warchulski
    Detective Senior Sergeant 17927
    Keilor Downs Crime Investigation Unit.

    Who probably doesn't exist anyway and under what authority does he issue the advice.

    In other words if I believe he exists then I would believe the person who phones from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA.
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    That's cool Mahn,

    Maybe I shouldn't "bounce back" so hard ops:


    In hind site I probably should have cut the crap off the bottom of the message.

    But as I say I very rarely pass these ones on.

    Cheers Mark
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