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    Not so "interesting" conversation

    I had a "not really that interesting" conversation with a server at my local "shop" earlier today.

    It started out with a pretty normal question about if the Land Rover (D4) was mine and what I thought of it.

    After a quick and honest reply, they then told me that they are unreliable pieces of dung, based on the fact they used to have a 2003 V8 that let them down.

    Interested to find out why and after pointing out it was two models before mine, I was told the engine was rebuilt at 130,000km and that the front driveshaft let got near Broome. After saying 'that it sounds like poor maintenance' to, they quickly replied that it was only just serviced (always are!).

    They also pointed out that a mechanic told them that the front propshaft was prone to failure and it was common. Hmmmm..

    Then I was given a lecture on how much more reliable a 200 series was. I offered that they even have issues (injectors, turbos, oil consumption come to mind), but that was responded with the ol "ours hasn't had any of those issues and it has 200,000km on it". Meanwhile they are the second owners and brought it at 90,000km.

    She did let slip though that whilst moving from Perth to the NT the LR V8 started overheating and they found no water in it. After topping it up constantly and driving a further 300km with a 26' van (allegedly) to the next town, mechanic there found a split in the radiator. Hmmmm... Explains the rebuild.

    After finally escaping, I started thinking about why it is people always think Land Rovers are crud and unreliable, even when they have no allegiance to another brand.

    I also started thinking about why people nearly always think that the new model of anything will never be has good as the last, even though proven to be better.

    If anyone ever asks my opinion, I have no problem in being honest about it, even with things as dear to me as my cars and I always give something a chance if I have never had anything to do with it before. Victorian beer included..
    '15 Discovery 4 HSE- The family bus and the kids like it!
    '89 RRC- My favorite of the bunch!
    Ex '03 Commodore 'S' ute- 450hp of uncracked 5.7lt and 6 speed manual uteness - Still crying that its gone
    Ex '06 GLXR Triton- *Gone and forgotten*

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    Don't you just love those conversations. I remember when we were in a 4wd club up here the president at the time had a patrol and we had the D2 . He bagged L/Rs all the time , when his patrol blew the gearbox and we towed him thru the scrub to the bitumen , that didn't count as any car could have done it. He bought a Prado after that and we got the D3 , we drove from Darwin to Adelaide together . His new Prado had troubles the whole way to the point where we ended up towing his caravan and he towed our camper so the thing wouldn't overheat in the December heat thru the middle of the country.

    We left him at port augusta where he towed his van to adelaide, drove the Prado into Toyota and traded it on a new 100 series .

    To this day he he still asks me why I have a L/R .

    Cheers Ean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ean Austral View Post
    Don't you just love those conversations. I remember when we were in a 4wd club up here the president at the time had a patrol and we had the D2 . He bagged L/Rs all the time , when his patrol blew the gearbox and we towed him thru the scrub to the bitumen , that didn't count as any car could have done it. He bought a Prado after that and we got the D3 , we drove from Darwin to Adelaide together . His new Prado had troubles the whole way to the point where we ended up towing his caravan and he towed our camper so the thing wouldn't overheat in the December heat thru the middle of the country.

    We left him at port augusta where he towed his van to adelaide, drove the Prado into Toyota and traded it on a new 100 series .

    To this day he he still asks me why I have a L/R .

    Cheers Ean
    I get it a lot here in K-town. I do believe though that they are secretly jealous in some sense.

    On a couple of little trips we have done in the area with other people where we live, we have, and on more than a few occasions, had the "you stuck yet in your soccer mum car?". That quickly changes to "she's a beauty" after a tug out or us getting bored and getting through those wet season tracks.

    My grandad started working with the PMG or Telecom, or who ever they are called now, when he came across from the UK in the mid sixties. He and a crew used to survey and build the radio telegraph towers in outback SA, NT, Western Qld and along the Nulabour to the WA border. For years they used to use old Land Rovers. 1st gear low range, point them in the direction they needed to go, clutch out and then just steer. Never anything out of the ordinary went wrong, they looked after them, because they knew they were super isolated. Then some time in the 70's (I think he said) they rolled up to work and there were a fleet of new 40 series and not a LR in sight.

    He later found out that the government were offered the Toyota's at a low price which LR couldn't match, hence the change.

    He never really hated them, but I think the WW2 sentiment of a Japanese made product bugged him.

    The silly bugger is still going (84) and he always goes on about crazy times in Barrow Creek.
    '15 Discovery 4 HSE- The family bus and the kids like it!
    '89 RRC- My favorite of the bunch!
    Ex '03 Commodore 'S' ute- 450hp of uncracked 5.7lt and 6 speed manual uteness - Still crying that its gone
    Ex '06 GLXR Triton- *Gone and forgotten*

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    Ha ha ha - I bought my first 4wd from the bloke who ran the barrow creek hotel. The old square Pajero with a datto 200b engine in it. .

    i posted it on my trip report when we did the canning stock route in 2010 , we met some people who had sold their land rovers because everyone told them they would never make it . They were surprised to see us when we rocked up in our D2s at I think well 45, us coming from the south, any they were heading south.

    each for there own but I'm happy with my D3 and like you if asked I give honest feedback. Can't do anymore than that.

    Cheers Ean
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    Back in the days when I took over LRO's Roverphile column from James Taylor I wrote this on our family vehicles.....

    ROVERPHILE
    ONE MILLION MILES BETWEEN THEM

    SERIES IIA STATION WAGON 1964-1990

    It was more than ten years after my introduction to the marque before I could afford one of my own. A young engineer slowly working his way through the ranks, the best I could manage was a ten year old Vauxhall Victor Estate. It had decent ground clearance and even once managed the infamous ‘Gap Road’, from the north end, as far as the gap!
    However, in the early seventies, my then employers took a liking to me and presented me with an enormous bonus. Six a.m. the next Thursday found me in the local newsagent to grab the first copy of Exchange & Mart and by eight, after running up quite a phone bill, I’d found the motor for me. A one way train ticket to Romford was followed by a return journey as ‘king of the road’ in my eight year old Series IIA 109” Station Wagon. My Dad’s immediate reaction was, “What the hell do you want to buy a damn great thing like that for?” Similar comments came from my friends, usually accompanied in the same sentence by remarks about how they’d got this large piece of furniture that needed moving! I didn’t care, I’d got my Land Rover at last. The grey, twelve seater was to remain my sole means of transport for nearly two decades and in that time I would come to know every single part to an intimate and frequently frustrating level.
    Bonuses don’t last for ever and the thirst of an 85,000 mile old 2¼ petrol engine wasn’t helping. Another Exchange & Mart (we didn’t have LRO in those days) found me an ex Post Office BMC 2.2 diesel engine and conversion kit. Nought to fifty in one minute flat but twenty-six miles to the gallon! With an economic motor and the M.6 newly opened, weekends meant anywhere was possible. North Wales, The Lakes, The Peaks and The Yorkshire Dales were frequented, on my own or with friends from the Brighton Explorers Club. My annual mileage usually topped 30,000. After a few years I had a regular passenger and co-driver who’d discovered that green lanes were nice quiet places for courting! Two years later Helena and I were married. The honeymoon? Two weeks green laning in the Dolomites living in an Air Camper tent on the roof. When the rear diff. gave out at the start of our journey home, out came the rear half shafts, off came the prop, push down on the yellow knob and drive six hundred miles home on the front axle. Not many cars carry a spare set of transmission!
    As time went by and green roading became more paperwork than driving we looked for other ways to go off road. We joined the Southern Rover Owners Club. Even though our BMC engine disqualified us from trialing we made many friends and spent enjoyable weekends in the caravan that had now replaced our roof tent.
    After seventeen years and 500,000 miles the old girl (the Land Rover, not the wife) finally succumbed to too many ‘cosmetic’ MoT repairs, there just wasn’t any metal left on the chassis to weld new patches onto! It was a sad, sad day that we watched her disappear down the road on the breakers trailer. Hopefully, some of her parts are still keeping someone else’s pride and joy on the road today.


    RANGE ROVER 1978
    Having been members of the Southern Rover Owners’ Club for some years, we started driving CCV trials. The Series One was owned by a friend and it wasn’t long before we bought a half share. I’d long had my eye on the 1978 Tuscan Blue Range Rover that Ian used to tow it to and from events. Ian ran a haulage business and was frequently asked to move heavy, trailered loads all over Europe. The Range Rover fitted the bill but needed more power. At Bob Pilbeam’s Range Rover Service Centre it was fitted with a high compression V8 from a Van den Plas SD.1, together with a large bore single exhaust containing an American ‘Cherrybomb’ silencer in place of the main box. This not only improved the performance but gave it the most wonderful exhaust note! I asked for first refusal if ever Ian wanted to sell it.
    In 1993, Ian gave up his haulage business and offered the Range Rover to me. I didn’t have the money. Helena did! Ah well, at least I’d get a chance to drive it. After a while, a little pleading from me and a few threats of what would happen ‘if’ from Helena, lead to me driving a few RTV trials. This was nice. Power steering and equally effortless power from under the bonnet, after the years of trialing my Series III diesel, it was a revelation. The climax came with the last trial we entered in it. A class first at the 1997 ARC International, a fitting tribute for an aging motor.
    450,000 miles on the clock and several years of trialing had taken it’s toll on the bodywork. A friend in the Southern had found a pristine four door body from a failed restoration and offered it to Helena. Still in it’s bubble wrap from the dark blue metalic respray it was delivered to Bob’s. It would only take a couple of days to disconnect the controls and electrics, undo the handful of bolts and lift the tatty old body off. Then, as they say in the manual, reverse the proceedure to assemble, but that’s a long story for another day. Suffice to say, it was eight weeks and a chassis up rebuild before Helena finally drove her pride and joy home. It’s shiny new paint clearly saying, ‘Tyros only, from now on!’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ean Austral View Post
    each for there own but I'm happy with my D3 and like you if asked I give honest feedback. Can't do anymore than that.
    That's right. All people want is feedback, not an opinion on something they haven't asked about.

    Although, we are probably all guilty of doing it time to time...
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    I think the reliability of a car owned by an enthusiast is always going to be better than that of just a regular car owner.
    I had an Alfa that i did a quarter of a million ks in with only one break down and it had no rust. Non Alfisti will tell me the exact opposite.

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    [QUOTE=Fifth Columnist;2850684]Back in the days when I took over LRO's Roverphile column from James Taylor I wrote this on our family vehicles.....

    On the subject of LRO & LRM magazines, I get both and usually leave them at work for the guys to read, only to have one say to me how Landies all rust! How cheeky, and even the old ones hardly rust in Australia, certainly not like the UK with salted roads and frequent wet weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timax View Post
    I think the reliability of a car owned by an enthusiast is always going to be better than that of just a regular car owner.
    Not always.
    I think it's more accurate to say the unreliability of the opposing marque is going to be greater than the marque owned by the enthusiast. Owning several different marques, I tend to have a liking for them all but regularly observe (and be the target of) other peoples biases.

    Regular car owners really don't care. It's just a car, a means of transport.

    Oh, my old Holden was the most reliable car I have ever owned. I expect the Ford I replaced it with will be just as good. They are just my daily drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fifth Columnist View Post
    Back in the days when I took over LRO's Roverphile column from James Taylor I wrote this on our family vehicles.....

    ROVERPHILE
    ONE MILLION MILES BETWEEN THEM

    SERIES IIA STATION WAGON 1964-1990

    It was more than ten years after my introduction to the marque before I could afford one of my own. A young engineer slowly working his way through the ranks, the best I could manage was a ten year old Vauxhall Victor Estate. It had decent ground clearance and even once managed the infamous ‘Gap Road’, from the north end, as far as the gap!
    However, in the early seventies, my then employers took a liking to me and presented me with an enormous bonus. Six a.m. the next Thursday found me in the local newsagent to grab the first copy of Exchange & Mart and by eight, after running up quite a phone bill, I’d found the motor for me. A one way train ticket to Romford was followed by a return journey as ‘king of the road’ in my eight year old Series IIA 109” Station Wagon. My Dad’s immediate reaction was, “What the hell do you want to buy a damn great thing like that for?” Similar comments came from my friends, usually accompanied in the same sentence by remarks about how they’d got this large piece of furniture that needed moving! I didn’t care, I’d got my Land Rover at last. The grey, twelve seater was to remain my sole means of transport for nearly two decades and in that time I would come to know every single part to an intimate and frequently frustrating level.
    Bonuses don’t last for ever and the thirst of an 85,000 mile old 2¼ petrol engine wasn’t helping. Another Exchange & Mart (we didn’t have LRO in those days) found me an ex Post Office BMC 2.2 diesel engine and conversion kit. Nought to fifty in one minute flat but twenty-six miles to the gallon! With an economic motor and the M.6 newly opened, weekends meant anywhere was possible. North Wales, The Lakes, The Peaks and The Yorkshire Dales were frequented, on my own or with friends from the Brighton Explorers Club. My annual mileage usually topped 30,000. After a few years I had a regular passenger and co-driver who’d discovered that green lanes were nice quiet places for courting! Two years later Helena and I were married. The honeymoon? Two weeks green laning in the Dolomites living in an Air Camper tent on the roof. When the rear diff. gave out at the start of our journey home, out came the rear half shafts, off came the prop, push down on the yellow knob and drive six hundred miles home on the front axle. Not many cars carry a spare set of transmission!
    As time went by and green roading became more paperwork than driving we looked for other ways to go off road. We joined the Southern Rover Owners Club. Even though our BMC engine disqualified us from trialing we made many friends and spent enjoyable weekends in the caravan that had now replaced our roof tent.
    After seventeen years and 500,000 miles the old girl (the Land Rover, not the wife) finally succumbed to too many ‘cosmetic’ MoT repairs, there just wasn’t any metal left on the chassis to weld new patches onto! It was a sad, sad day that we watched her disappear down the road on the breakers trailer. Hopefully, some of her parts are still keeping someone else’s pride and joy on the road today.


    RANGE ROVER 1978
    Having been members of the Southern Rover Owners’ Club for some years, we started driving CCV trials. The Series One was owned by a friend and it wasn’t long before we bought a half share. I’d long had my eye on the 1978 Tuscan Blue Range Rover that Ian used to tow it to and from events. Ian ran a haulage business and was frequently asked to move heavy, trailered loads all over Europe. The Range Rover fitted the bill but needed more power. At Bob Pilbeam’s Range Rover Service Centre it was fitted with a high compression V8 from a Van den Plas SD.1, together with a large bore single exhaust containing an American ‘Cherrybomb’ silencer in place of the main box. This not only improved the performance but gave it the most wonderful exhaust note! I asked for first refusal if ever Ian wanted to sell it.
    In 1993, Ian gave up his haulage business and offered the Range Rover to me. I didn’t have the money. Helena did! Ah well, at least I’d get a chance to drive it. After a while, a little pleading from me and a few threats of what would happen ‘if’ from Helena, lead to me driving a few RTV trials. This was nice. Power steering and equally effortless power from under the bonnet, after the years of trialing my Series III diesel, it was a revelation. The climax came with the last trial we entered in it. A class first at the 1997 ARC International, a fitting tribute for an aging motor.
    450,000 miles on the clock and several years of trialing had taken it’s toll on the bodywork. A friend in the Southern had found a pristine four door body from a failed restoration and offered it to Helena. Still in it’s bubble wrap from the dark blue metalic respray it was delivered to Bob’s. It would only take a couple of days to disconnect the controls and electrics, undo the handful of bolts and lift the tatty old body off. Then, as they say in the manual, reverse the proceedure to assemble, but that’s a long story for another day. Suffice to say, it was eight weeks and a chassis up rebuild before Helena finally drove her pride and joy home. It’s shiny new paint clearly saying, ‘Tyros only, from now on!’
    I love this..

    You seldom hear of these types of stories with other marques. Not saying they aren't out there, but the always seem more prevalent with Land Rovers, maybe VW.

    There is a fella here who brought his dad's S2 up from NSW when the old property was sold. It's sits in a shed unused, but parked next to his defender and disco. Says it reminds him of his dad and where he grew up.

    I have also met plenty of people who grew up on property that have in some way grew up with an old series.

    Haven't to date yet heard of someone growing up with a 45 and then that legacy continuing.

    It seems as though I will be writing a story similar with our D4. It's at 64k and my girls have named her Hoppy. Not even 3 yrs old yet.

    Although these are different times, I would be very surprised to get to 500,000 miles!
    '15 Discovery 4 HSE- The family bus and the kids like it!
    '89 RRC- My favorite of the bunch!
    Ex '03 Commodore 'S' ute- 450hp of uncracked 5.7lt and 6 speed manual uteness - Still crying that its gone
    Ex '06 GLXR Triton- *Gone and forgotten*

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