JLR Survey 50% of Australian Millennials want Electric over ICE

I thought this was about electric vehicles vs ice.

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Yes mate, its called fitting a Powerwall. Answer to all your ridiculous arguments .

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I was referring to your feed in tariff of 71.3 cents vs cost of electricity to retailers of what 11cents or less..

In case you have missed it, that is a subsidy of about 60cents a kwh which has to be paid from tax receipts. Good work if you can get it, but in NSW it is all going away soon.
Regards Philip A

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

I was referring to your feed in tariff of 71.3 cents vs cost of electricity to retailers of what 11cents or less..

In case you have missed it, that is a subsidy of about 60cents a kwh which has to be paid from tax receipts. Good work if you can get it, but in NSW it is all going away soon.
Regards Philip A

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The only people I know who are sour about the premium FIT are those who missed out on it. It was a time limited contract freely entered into by both parties, the house owner and the State that wanted to encourage the take up of solar panels.

Anyway, once it's over a Powerwall will make excellent economic sense instead of giving away your daytime production for peanuts.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

I thought this was about electric vehicles vs ice.

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AULRO threads going off topic, how unusual... [bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The cars battery pack, such as the new Nissan Leaf's 40kw pack, will combine with a typical 6 kW house battery. Once the car is charged, it will help to power the house at night.

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Yes, they were doing this in Japan 10 years ago. Toyota - who also build houses in factories - could supply you with a house with a stupid amount of solar panels (entire roof basically), a house battery, a hybrid or PHEV car and a car-port fitted with a fast charger. The Japanese government is really pushing it now because it was these houses that proved to be resilient after Fukushima.

Edit: and as the Swedish Tesla link notes, it was the electric cars that were mobile after Fukushima, not the ICE ones.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Prius have been an abject failure in Australia.

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Really, in what way? They've sold 70,000+ of them here, plus a fair whack of hybrid Camrys. And unlike most other vehicles, Prius actually achieve the economy they claim.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Inner City Virtue Signalers (ICVS) are only about 5-10% of the population so once every Inner City Virtue Signaler (ICVS) has one which is unlikely Millennials will be next. So if you call a Millennial someone who is 18 or less right now, how long will it be before they can afford to buy a minimum 50K car and that is for the most basic thing. ( how is that ? probably more accurate than the colour anyway)

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If you go to Tesla's showroom in Chadstone Shopping Centre - which is very definitely not the inner city - you will see lots of ordinary people ogling the cars. When prices go down for EVs - which they will in the next 12 months when the new Kias and Hyundais arrive - then I would guess that the take-up will accelerate.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system!

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In what way are solar cells expensive?

Whilst we're at it, here it is:
e-car myths
Busted!!!

Things will move quicker than you think, but maybe not in Australia ... when I travel OS, particularly to Japan, it's noticeable how forward-looking they are. They're not whining about change, they're working out what's going to happen and then pursuing policies to get there or to cope with it. The Chinese see the green economy as the way that they will overtake the US and the UK is way more environmentally focussed. It reminds me of the Steve Bracks saying in 2008 that it was "more rather than less likely" that the car manufacturers would continue to make cars in Australia ....

Yes, we are currently very backward looking in this country and are missing out on a lot of opportunities to create viable long term renewable jobs.