Goodnight Diesel. ...Land Rover get your EV skates on!

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Full story is a little different:

Tesla explains why it limits Supercharging speed after high numbers of DC charges - Electrek

So, the owner was doing something that Tesla is concerned about - charging on DC repeatedly. So, Tesla has throttled back his DC charging and, as Tesla say:

"Important to note, supercharging will always still be available to the vehicle and the battery pack has not yet experienced significant degradation due to the amount of DC fast charging performed on the pack up until this point in time. Vehicle is operating as designed."


Edit: As Goingbush says, in a few years time this will be our everyday existence.

BTW, my wife, who is not the slightest bit car oriented, said to me recently that our next car would be electric.

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Yes, as I said in first post...it will happen faster than we think.

Especially if long term rapid charging is not an issue for batteries and the roll out of charge points is comprehensive - let’s hope it’s not another NBN!

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Originally Posted by CraigE

As far as 4x4s capable of long distance and prolonged off grid use, I reckon we will still be having this same discussion in 10 years. The take up so far has actually been way below what industry had predicted for full electric and hybrids.

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Possibly because Aussies tend to do comparatively long distances at holiday times, long weekends, etc. So range anxiety is still a major issue with many. Not to mention the fact that most of the projected take-up figures were gilding the lily, in order to attract government subsidies/start-up funding etc, and simply assumed that the entire motoring population live in inner city apartments, believe in man-made climate change, travel no more than 30klms per day, and can afford to replace their current ICE vehicles with EV's as soon as they hit the showroom floor.

If I could only have one vehicle, at the moment that could not be an EV (possibly a hybrid could do the job, but still not as well as the current ICE vehicle mix does).

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Originally Posted by donh54

Possibly because Aussies tend to do comparatively long distances at holiday times, long weekends, etc. So range anxiety is still a major issue with many. Not to mention the fact that most of the projected take-up figures were gilding the lily, in order to attract government subsidies/start-up funding etc, and simply assumed that the entire motoring population live in inner city apartments, believe in man-made climate change, travel no more than 30klms per day, and can afford to replace their current ICE vehicles with EV's as soon as they hit the showroom floor.

If I could only have one vehicle, at the moment that could not be an EV (possibly a hybrid could do the job, but still not as well as the current ICE vehicle mix does).

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The other issue is EV’s are also extremely expensive and resale value is extremely poor.

At the moment,in Australia,they suit very few people’s needs.

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Originally Posted by scarry

The other issue is EV’s are also extremely expensive and resale value is extremely poor.

At the moment,in Australia,they suit very few people’s needs.

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That will change. I see Hyundai is about to release an EV so it's coming now.

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Originally Posted by donh54

Possibly because Aussies tend to do comparatively long distances at holiday times, long weekends, etc. So range anxiety is still a major issue with many. Not to mention the fact that most of the projected take-up figures were gilding the lily, in order to attract government subsidies/start-up funding etc, and simply assumed that the entire motoring population live in inner city apartments, believe in man-made climate change, travel no more than 30klms per day, and can afford to replace their current ICE vehicles with EV's as soon as they hit the showroom floor.

If I could only have one vehicle, at the moment that could not be an EV (possibly a hybrid could do the job, but still not as well as the current ICE vehicle mix does).

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What ! You mean to say there are people who don't believe that climate change is man made ! The hole in the Ozone layer certainly is , as is the great pacific garbage patch, I'd say we are making a significant impact. The next Ice age is well overdue, I have not read into the science but I imagine Humans are prolonging it. That said the fact that I removed my EGR & DPF from my Iveco is not going to make any difference to air quality in comparison to bushfire & Volcano emissions.

If I could only have one Vehicle to replace my ICE's the Rivian has more an enough range, I have driven further in a day but certainly at the risk of my and other road user safety. But I'll still take the Bollinger even at 2/3 the range of the Rivian.

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Originally Posted by scarry

The other issue is EV’s are also extremely expensive and resale value is extremely poor.

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Brilliant , A cheap source of Motors & Batteries to Retrofit into ICE 4x4's, I can't wait .

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At the moment,in Australia,they suit very few people’s needs.

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Bollocks, All currently available EV's have more than enough range to suit more than 70% of Australians.

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Brilliant , A cheap source of Motors & Batteries to Retrofit into ICE 4x4's, I can't wait .



Bollocks, All currently available EV's have more than enough range to suit more than 70% of Australians.

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I agree with this but... How will EVs go towing trailers of 2T and greater for long distances.

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Originally Posted by Geedublya

I agree with this but... How will EVs go towing trailers of 2T and greater for long distances.

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My little LandRover tows a fully loaded trailer to the tip a damn site easier than when it had the petrol motor, in fact I don't even notice any difference up to 60km then the Aerodynamics of the trailer come into play , so with a cleanly designed trailer I don't think it will be much of a problem at all. Infact with a Trailer designed for EV touring with its own Batteries & Motor it could be a boon.

When your not Using the Trailer its battery becomes your houses "Powerwall"

Dethleffs puts a new spin on towing with an electric camping trailer that nearly drives itself

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Bollocks, All currently available EV's have more than enough range to suit more than 70% of Australians.

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What payload and for what distance have you carried? And what sort of impact does it take on your charge?
You reckon you have no trouble doing tip trips with a trailer? What sort of weight can you tow without draining your batteries?
Just curious, I'm sure the motors have the torque to do what you need but what about the batteries?
Could you travel 150ks with 2+t and a full payload?
Cheers Jim

All this is very good and I look forward to the incoming technology.

I know the focus of this thread is the ICE and it's demise, but I've always wondered regarding the demise of fossil fuels - "How do we pack 500 people plus luggage into a cigar tube and fly them to Europe or elsewhere in the future?, what replaces AvGas?"

Peter.