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    Quote Originally Posted by trog View Post
    No this wasn’t offered in the curriculum in my history classes
    They weren't offered in history classes here either Bring Flinders back to his spiritual country?

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    We could re-bury him at the entry to Flinders Ranges,,

    just next to the new Big Flinders tourist attraction.

    that'll suck those Millenials in..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ean Austral View Post
    The chart mapping flinders did in the gulf of Carpenteria is still used today it's that accurate. Even with the use of GPS most of the rivers (and there are many ) on the eastern side of the gulf are still charted as flinders discovered them. The latest admiralty charts have filled in a few gaps but you could easily navigate safely using his original charts .

    Anyone who has had to learn sextant navigation will fully understand how good he really was at his trade.

    Personally I don't care where they put him if his remains came back , anywhere would be a fitting tribute to the man and his contribution to this country

    Cheers Ean
    Flinders mapping skills were learned from Bligh, who in turn learned them from Cook - who developed them mapping on the eastern Canada coast. In fact, Cook was responsible for developing and passing on training in mapping that led to Britain mapping accurately most of the world's coastlines from the late 1760s to near the end of the 19th century. This is Cook's real legacy, rather than specific bits of mapping that he did such as the east coast of Australia and most of NZ. Flinders was certainly the most brilliant of his successors, especially when you consider his short life and the length of time he spent imprisoned by the French.
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    Probably you are right bob, but he must have also had balls of steel to do the above 'cos it couldn't have been an easy decision to decide where the TV Transmission Towers should go. Seems Oz was awash with wanabee explorers back in those days. English, French & who knows who else from the Pacific & Asian nations but not recorded.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    Didn't you fellows do history at school?

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    Hi,
    Hardly any that was relevant, history of various British kings, Harold and his eye full of arrow in 1066 etc.
    I've learnt more history since I retired than I ever did at school.
    Cheers

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    Bring him back and intern him on the 26th Jan
    We could rename it Flinders day

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    Quote Originally Posted by austastar View Post
    Hi,
    Hardly any that was relevant, history of various British kings, Harold and his eye full of arrow in 1066 etc.
    I've learnt more history since I retired than I ever did at school.
    Cheers
    I have to say, I said that in jest. I remember history in school, boring as bat****. We knew more about England than Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austastar View Post
    Hi,
    Hardly any that was relevant, history of various British kings, Harold and his eye full of arrow in 1066 etc.
    I've learnt more history since I retired than I ever did at school.
    Cheers
    Me too, but it could be to do with the availability of the Internet that makes it so much easier, convenient & fun.

    My problem is trying to remember it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Flinders mapping skills were learned from Bligh, who in turn learned them from Cook - who developed them mapping on the eastern Canada coast. In fact, Cook was responsible for developing and passing on training in mapping that led to Britain mapping accurately most of the world's coastlines from the late 1760s to near the end of the 19th century. This is Cook's real legacy, rather than specific bits of mapping that he did such as the east coast of Australia and most of NZ. Flinders was certainly the most brilliant of his successors, especially when you consider his short life and the length of time he spent imprisoned by the French.
    If you read about the life of Flinders, you find perhaps Cook and Bligh had little to do with his navigational skills. Flinders started school at Donington free school, which was founded and endowed by one Thomas Cowley, open to the children of all residents of Donington parish. At 12 yrs. Flinders was sent to Horbling Grammar school, under the direction of Rev. John Shinglar. Introduced to Latin and Greek classics, here he received the grounding of that mathematical knowledge which subsequently enabled him -quote " to master the science of navigation without a tutor " unquote.

    Perhaps the most unlikely source of Flinders inspiration was Daniel Defoe. His book "Robinson Crusoe" sparked the desire to go to sea, a spark that burned fiercely and denied all efforts by his father, and others to talk him out of it. He had an uncle in the Navy, John Flinders, who pointed out the reality of naval life , with its hardships and lack of promotion, but to no avail. It was Uncle John who realised Matthew was going to do it, come what may, so he offered some very practical advice- three books that must be studied. Euclid, John Robertson's Elements of Navigation, [first edition 1754] , and Hamilton Moore's " book on navigation ". After a year of bookwork, Flinders felt capable of acquitting himself creditably at sea. Long story short, Flinders had a cousin who was governess of one Captain Pasley [ afterwards Admiral Sir Thomas Pasley] Flinders cousin spoke to Captain Pasley, and it interested him to hear of this boy studying navigation without a tutor up in the fens. " send for him" said Pasley " I should like to see what stuff he is made of, and whether it is worth making him into a sailor." The rest, as they say, is history.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

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    Undoubtedly Flinders had a strong natural aptitude for navigation, but there is a wide gap between navigation and hydrographic mapping. Flinders certainly improved on Cook's mapping methods, but the standards and general methodology were inherited from Cook. Mapping a coastline in sail powered ships, navigating by sextant and chronometer, measuring water depths by leadline requires enormous effort, discipline, and meticulous adherence to planned methodology.

    As an indication of his insight into navigational methods, Flinders was responsible for the "Flinders Bar", the first practical method of correction for soft iron in a ship. He was also an enthusiastic mapper - not a matter of skill but of attitude.

    It is difficult to think of any other near contemporary who would have had the perseverance of Flinders to complete the mapping of the Australian coastline. To give examples of captains who were not up to it, a generation later were Pringle Stokes who suicided, and his successor as Captain of the Beagle, Fitzroy, who was so afraid of following his precedent that he took a young Charles Darwin on the second voyage of the Beagle to try and maintain his mental health. Then there is Owen Stanley, who died from illness that may have been suicide while mapping PNG - and was so afraid of the coast that his mapping was very substandard.
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