Thread: Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

Originally Posted by Eevo

what weather extremes?

Are you serious or taking the ****?

The evidence shows us that it has become hotter than ever before in Australia - during any time of human occupation - over 60,000 years plus.

Australia has the most variable climate in the world. Climate change has exacerbated that.

The current fires are the largest to have ever occured during human occupation. At least 5 times larger than the recent Amazon fires that had the world in shock. And we still have at least 3 months to go in our Victorian fire season.

Have a look at some maps. They are available online and show the scale of previous disasters compared to this one. All of the major fires in european-australian history over the last 200 years are totally overshadowed by this fire season. Don't tell me this has happened before. It is unprecedented in Australia's history.

Have a read. Some distance from the current disaster removes the emotion and provides some perspective

Why the Fires in Australia Are So Bad - The New York Times

The real Elephant in the room.


Michael Pascoe: How Murdoch’s myrmidons murdered climate policy How Murdoch’s ink-stained imps killed climate sanity

Originally Posted by bob10

The real Elephant in the room.


Michael Pascoe: How Murdoch’s myrmidons murdered climate policy How Murdoch’s ink-stained imps killed climate sanity

Murdoch is the Pied Piper that Australians follow. We're not so different to the US.

He is the one who tells the country what to think.

He is the man who determines who is the Government,

and he is the one who has people think that they know better than the scientists.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

Murdoch is the Pied Piper that Australians follow. We're not so different to the US.

He is the one who tells the country what to think.

He is the man who determines who is the Government,

and he is the one who has people think that they know better than the scientists.

Simple truths put succinctly. If only the solution was so . Can't say much more here.

Out of touch with what?
How bad have the fires been around Vic, since '09?
Have they got any worse?
Have they got any worse since 1983.
Has there yet been any catastrophic fires on the same scale as the two biggest in 1938-39 and 1851 here in Vic?

Originally Posted by goingbush

Your out of touch Arthur, I suppose you don't live in a fire prone area ....

This is where the issue is. Those that fall under the spell of the shysters and so called scientific experts will all have some kind of emotional experience relating to a fire event at some point.
And no, I don't live in or near a fire prone area if this is relevant in any way.
How does this affect anything tho?
Why is old growth forest immune to fires?
Before humans changed the landscapes, where there any other types of forest to burn?

in 1851 where 5 million ha burned in Vic alone .. which hypothetical new growth forest would have been affected by this fire.

Again folks fall into the trap of ingesting news when their emotional condition may be slightly more fragile than normal.
What you guys are reading is, that a large scale fire has and is currently threatening peoples lives, which hasn't happened in these areas previously.
And I'd bet my last dollar that these areas have been affected at some earlier time by fire, maybe not in living memory, but the probability that they haven't would be close to zero.
Populations move into potential fire risk areas, those areas haven't been affected by fires in many many years, maybe generations since!... then the fires do finally come back, now there are more people to be affected, and somehow this is the worst fire in history.

Pure and utter BS!
There have been worse fires in history .. that you choose to ignore historical records doesn't diminish those occurrences, and the breadth of their reach has been greater than even this years NSW/QLD fire. But again folks continue to ignore these facts

As has been pointed out in prior posts, in this current era of climate conditions, the frequency of large scale bushfires has been reduced considerably.

So no! .... Not out of touch.
Until the rhetoric is backed up with some actual hard data, it's all BS.
My mind is happy to be changed with facts and numbers, but will not succumb to BS hyperbole feeding on the heightened emotional situation.

Therefore: will be looking forward to Goingbush's supply of some facts to backup this notion that fires are worse now than before.
Gusthedog .. same BS info as Discomick posts. Someones opinion that fires are worse, isn't proof that fires are worse.
Proof is data, actual facts that this is the worst fire. Yes, it's a bad one, and up there with some of the worst, but do you have any idea of when those other really bad fires happened?

Originally Posted by gusthedog

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The evidence shows us that it has become hotter than ever before in Australia - during any time of human occupation - over 60,000 years plus.

....

The current fires are the largest to have ever occurred during human occupation. At least 5 times larger than the recent Amazon fires that had the world in shock. And we still have at least 3 months to go in our Victorian fire season.

Have a look at some maps. They are available online and show the scale of previous disasters compared to this one. All of the major fires in european-australian history over the last 200 years are totally overshadowed by this fire season. Don't tell me this has happened before. It is unprecedented in Australia's history.

Would love to see this 'evidence'. Saying it exists doesn't mean it exists. Relying on someone thoughts and notions of 'worse', and or 'extreme', isn't the same thing as proof .. it's just someone elses opinion.

I've linked to many reliable sources of info on the topic, but it's constantly ignored.

If people choose to ignore historical data, and rely on todays news instead for their version of history, then that's their choice .. and for them, every summer will subsequently be "the worst" bushfire season in history.
But in terms of reality, history is the the determinant and my choice is to review all historical facts.
If that's considered "out of touch", then I'd much prefer this situation when the time comes for me to decide which part of the bush I'll end up moving into.

The 'Oz' hasn't had maps of the burnt areas for a few days now, must be a software problem.

Originally Posted by 350RRC

The 'Oz' hasn't had maps of the burnt areas for a few days now, must be a software problem.

It seems a lot of the Murdoch press aren't deeming the fires that newsworthy.
Pictures only apearing on page 4 on new years day in the Oz and the Herald Sun on new years Eve
Bashing the ABC is much more important!