Thread: Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

Originally Posted by AK83

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So I'm curious ... is this newly recorded maximum due to climate change too?

I'm sure history will make that judgement. Some say it already has.

Originally Posted by Eevo

actually western river on kangaroo island was the hottest recorded place

I'm sure there's a place on Mars that was hotter.

Originally Posted by bob10

I'm sure there's a place on Mars that was hotter.

you know mars is colder than earth?

Originally Posted by speleomike

The pertinent word is "today". And assuming the journalist checked all the other meteorological station records today in all countries that are now in their Summer.

FYI "The hottest air temperature ever recorded in Death Valley was 134 °F (56.7 °C) on July 10, 1913, at Greenland Ranch (now Furnace Creek), which is the highest atmospheric temperature ever recorded on earth." Death Valley - Wikipedia

Mike

What was the population count there at that time. ? Does it really matter what the temp. was any where else? I don't think it's a competition. I guess we should ask the people living there what they think.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Quick revision of the history lesson, 2011 might actually have been worse than 1974 because Wivenhoe Dam had been built since (1984) for "

the dual purpose of providing a safe and reliable water supply for the region and flood mitigation."

and that is why people were shocked that Bne had flooded again

Wivenhoe | Seqwater

Wivenhoe makes no difference if the depth was greater at a common, downstream point, the greater depth was a worse flood. In this comparison, 1974.

Originally Posted by AK83

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So I'm curious ... is this newly recorded maximum due to climate change too?

Records are broken at every Olympic and Commonwealth Games and virtually every international sporting meet. Climate change?

Fires by month. VIC only sorry
(its raining in Melb Sadly only light stuff expected where we would like to see more)

History shows Jan to March (with some December fires)
Past bushfires


A chronology of major bushfires in Victoria from 2013 back to 1851







What is frightening or concerning is "More than 80 per cent of the deaths were in January and February, and 61 per cent happened in Victoria"

Learning from history is something the entire world seems to be rather good at ignoring often. Me too. Suspect the nice drop of rain outside will not help far from here until March or April at the earliest

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Governments, bureaucrats and news publishers have memories of convenience for various reasons.
Facts can be reported with a spin that that barely resembles actuality. Brisbane has always been prone to catastrophic flooding, with major events in 1841/90/93, 1931/74 and 2011. I was in Brisbane for the latter two. 1974 was a bigger flood than 2011yet the media had to beat up the latest event in their sensationalist manner, in order to attract the gullible, ergo sell more advertising space.The media reports were not wrong, but they were far from the truth.
FACT. The water was deeper in the Brisbane River and low lying suburbs in 1974.
REPORTED. 2011 floods are worst on record. Places flooded that were not flooded in '74. More buildings flood effected than in 1974.
ACTUALLY. Land previously designated floodprone had been approved for development. Floodplains built up, covered with houses, concrete and bitumen causing houses that didn't flood in '74 to go under in '11.
It was only a worse flood for people who were inundated in 2011, but not in '74.
Are the gullible going to blame climate change for Brisbane flooding? Bear in mind until the early 1660s, when the Dutch and Spanish had a quick squiz from the water, white folk hadn't seen the east coast. Then Jimmy breezed up the coast in 1770, camping at Cooktown for a month or two, but he seemed to be preoccupied with boat building so didn't get much chance to do any significant climate change stuff. Flinders (take note Pedro) had a bit of a scout around, a couple of times around the turn of the century but didn't leave a footprint. Just before midway through the 1800s, Oxley, Petie and Lockyer paved the way for settlement. Admittedly, it's in the timeframe of the first recorded flood but I don't think Europeans had time to cause it. Maybe there were previous floods that the Aborigines didn't notice, or were too inconsiderate to record and measure.

Without trivialising the heartbreak and trauma of the current bushfires, they are regular, natural events. They are the worst for the poor souls who are directly affected, the press who sensationalise for revenue and the gullible.
In 1967 the nation was stopped by a newsflash, The Prime Minister has disappeared off Cheviot Beach. A significant event, worthy of the description breaking news. These days, the Prime Minister's chauffeur getting a parking ticket would be considered breaking news. Hardly a week goes by without a newsflash, breaking or unfolding story about some relatively minor issue.
There endeth the history lesson.

Jeeeezuz Ian! You are older than me to remember & see all that stuff.

A good post though.

Originally Posted by Eevo

actually western river on kangaroo island was the hottest recorded place

I think they were quoting the hottest cities on Earth. Canberra was the hottest city earlier in the week.