Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

We volunteer the grumpy old ex-Pusser.... [emoji56]

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To quote another , Grumpy is as grumpy does. Or should that be stones and glass houses? [wink11]

I prefer to listen to the scientists on climate change. I know you can argue back and forth until the cows come home, but this is not a penis length competition. On the balance of things, the scales tip to climate change, and to ignore that is to acquiesce to the braying mob . I'll stand up and be counted , if we follow the mob, we go over the cliff. One thing though. If any one is going to argue a point, and everyone can, do it in a civilised manner. Otherwise you just become the lowest common denominator, and we all know what that is.
[ not pointing the finger at any one, just making a valid point]

"the number below the line in a vulgar fraction; a divisor."

Mob Mentality

Other factors come into play when the term "mob mentality" is used to refer to something negative. Two of the main factors are the greater anonymity that exists within a group and the distribution of responsibility for the group's actions. These factors sometimes make a person believe that they can act a certain way within a group and not have the same consequences that the same actions would have if he or she acted alone.

So here's irrefutable proof from the best science available that the oceans are absorbing the heat from the atmosphere caused by rising emissions. I mean, I really don't see how anyone who supports science can deny this.

Ocean temperatures hit record high as rate of heating accelerates

Ocean temperatures hit record high as rate of heating accelerates | Environment | The Guardian

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

So here's irrefutable proof from the best science available that the oceans are absorbing the heat from the atmosphere caused by rising emissions. I mean, I really don't see how anyone who supports science can deny this.

Ocean temperatures hit record high as rate of heating accelerates

Ocean temperatures hit record high as rate of heating accelerates | Environment | The Guardian

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I will repeat this for you Mick, you keep missing it........ nobody - ***nobody*** here is denying change in climate.

Yet again another post only to support your position.

And again.....
NOTHING ABOUT YOUR TAKE ON HOW TO CHANGE / PREVENT / LIVE WITH IT.

All that’s going on in here is external hyperlinks to an online site I can read at my discretion.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

So here's irrefutable proof from the best science available that the oceans are absorbing the heat from the atmosphere caused by rising emissions. I mean, I really don't see how anyone who supports science can deny this.

Ocean temperatures hit record high as rate of heating accelerates

Ocean temperatures hit record high as rate of heating accelerates | Environment | The Guardian

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So our sun has no input into the oceans temperature. Its 100% emissions.
Got it thanks.

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Originally Posted by bob10

To quote another , Grumpy is as grumpy does. Or should that be stones and glass houses? [wink11]

I prefer to listen to the scientists on climate change. I know you can argue back and forth until the cows come home, but this is not a penis length competition. On the balance of things, the scales tip to climate change, and to ignore that is to acquiesce to the braying mob . I'll stand up and be counted , if we follow the mob, we go over the cliff. One thing though. If any one is going to argue a point, and everyone can, do it in a civilised manner. Otherwise you just become the lowest common denominator, and we all know what that is.
[ not pointing the finger at any one, just making a valid point]

"the number below the line in a vulgar fraction; a divisor."

Mob Mentality

Other factors come into play when the term "mob mentality" is used to refer to something negative. Two of the main factors are the greater anonymity that exists within a group and the distribution of responsibility for the group's actions. These factors sometimes make a person believe that they can act a certain way within a group and not have the same consequences that the same actions would have if he or she acted alone.

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Calm Bob - I was just taking the ****!!!

Mob mentality also applies to Climate Alarmists - more so than the calmer individuals would you not agree.

What continues to be an amusing frustration is those going on and on about it being a huge issue - don’t offer any suggestions on what to do, how to go about it..

Or even acknowledged that the same bunch of scientists have stated that it’s too late to do anything and change the outcome.

If that’s the case - if they SAME scientists state it’s too late... why are we even having this discussion? Shouldn’t the correct discussion then be “How will we adapt to changing climate?”

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Mick. What’s your agenda?

Your consumption contributes, your life choices contribute.

The change in climate is inevitable and isn’t going to change.

If we do everything, and I mean everything... we can NOT prevent the cycle.

We also will almost double emissions by 2050 if populations continue and lifespans increase.

The Romans etc were more emissions intensive than we currently are. So that’s style of living is not a solution.

So what do you propose globally- that will do any good??

(Posting links continually from other sources is nothing but a repetitive waste of bandwidth)

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What's my agenda?
I don't have an agenda. I'm just interested in the facts. That means I want good information.
I'm against the denialists who reject the science, particularly when their rejection is blatantly political and selfish, misleading people to keep themselves in power. An example would be the scare campaign which inflamed fears in coal-mining areas.
Coal will remain an important part of our energy mixture until mid century. It could be longer if we used our coal to manufacture steel and other products here from our mineral resources, rather than exporting it to be burned overseas. We could create a lot of jobs here.
Meanwhile I want government policies which encourage renewable investment here. That will reduce emissions and create many more jobs.
Really, Australia can have it all. We just have to reject the politically-based right-wing ideological propaganda and make smart decisions based on science.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

What's my agenda?
I don't have an agenda. I'm just interested in the facts. That means I want good information.
I'm against the denialists who reject the science, particularly when their rejection is blatantly political and selfish, misleading people to keep themselves in power. An example would be the scare campaign which inflamed fears in coal-mining areas.
Coal will remain an important part of our energy mixture until mid century. It could be longer if we used our coal to manufacture steel and other products here from our mineral resources, rather than exporting it to be burned overseas. We could create a lot of jobs here.
Meanwhile I want government policies which encourage renewable investment here. That will reduce emissions and create many more jobs.
Really, Australia can have it all. We just have to reject the politically-based right-wing ideological propaganda and make smart decisions based on science.

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i think my brain just melted.

Thanks for the reply.

One thing with Coal. There’s essentially 2 types.
Thermal and Coking coal.

Our coal mine contains both, they can’t be used easily for alternative purposes. We sell the thermal coal and make steel with the Coking coal. One offsets the cost of extracting the other.

It’s never as easy as the masses think, and this climate issue is the same. The basics regurgitated for the masses although what is never pushed out is the full details.



What it has done is create a massive, huge, mental illness and stress problem in the younger generations. Parallels to when the world was banging nukes all over the place and people thought TNW was inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

i think my brain just melted.

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yours will not be the only one ...if we don't , as Tombie suggested , adapt to climate change .

That enough practical suggestions about what to do in the big picture?
Meanwhile, at a local level, we do what we can to reduce emissions. For example, the guys are on the roof right now doubling our solar so we need less electricity from the grid.
It's not hard. We know the answers. We just have to apply them.
We used to be leaders, but we have fallen behind in the last decade. For example, the UK is aiming for net zero emissions by 2050 - and that's under a Conservative Party government.
We need to stop denying reality and catch up.