Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

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Originally Posted by chw

believe the banks.

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oh, thats a good one.
maybe try the jokes thread [biggrin]

Well, it's not full on summer yet. And this has never happened before. I think all those deniers should be rounded up and put to work fighting these fires. Might wake them up , but I doubt it.


'From Bega to Byron': What to do on a 'catastrophic' warning day

Nope , never happened before: Flashback, 1968: The Blue Mountains engulfed by fires

Or was it that we didnt have 24 hour media coverage to remind us of the need to panic.......


On a side note, I was talking to my 89 year old mother this morning, her (maybe not politically correct) comment on the fire coverage over the weekend " did you see how many trees there were around all those houses that were burned out, thats what happens when you want to live in the middle of a forest" I had also noticed that a lot of the footage of the burned out houses had an awful lot of big trees around them.

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by bob10

Well, it's not full on summer yet. And this has never happened before. I think all those deniers should be rounded up and put to work fighting these fires. Might wake them up , but I doubt it.


'From Bega to Byron': What to do on a 'catastrophic' warning day

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"never happened before" is a Huge call Bob and I call BS on that.
BTW I have spent Many years as a volunteer fire fighter, Unlike many here and most likely yourself included.

The NSW fire chief says climate change is making it worse and the early fire situation is unprecedented so I'll believe him as an expert.


Deputy PM says linking bushfires to climate change is 'woke capital-city greenies ravings' – politics live

Deputy PM says linking bushfires to climate change is 'woke capital-city greenies ravings' – politics live | Australia news | The Guardian

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Originally Posted by chw

If all the countries on this small blue planet that produce similar levels of carbon dioxide as Australia got together, we could jointly reduce the worlds carbon dioxide emissions by between 42% and 46%, about the same as the USA and China produce annually. We can get together with a whole group of countries and develop free trade agreements, but not get together with similar countries to develop an agreement to address this issue.

If you don't believe the scientists believe the banks.

Climate change could cause $20 trillion in losses, says Bank of England — Quartz - Climate Change could cause $20 trillion in asset losses, says Bank of England.

That's 'Trillion' not 'Billion" The Commonwealth's budget for 2019 was estimated to be around 4.4 Trillion, so that's approx 5 years of Australia's total budget.

Governments are prepared to approve the first of possibly many new coal mines in Queensland's Galilee Basin with 1500 possible ongoing jobs in the Adani Mine (a mine that it has been suggested is unlikely to pay any tax in Australia), and put at risk 66,000 long term jobs on the Great Barrier Reef.

Look at the comments from senior longterm firefighters and regional Mayors on the east coast in this year of record fires (again). They all recognise the impacts of climate change are here now and getting worse.

Think of your children and grand children guys. Yes it's really difficult to think what as an individual can I do but that same approach doesn't and shouldn't apply to the government of one of the wealthiest countries on this planet.

I'll get off the band wagon now, but this really is a critical issue and the longer we collectively do nothing the worse and more expensive it will get.

Craig

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It's information such as this that creates scepticism. Are you seriously suggesting that North America, Europe and Asia only produce between 54% and 58% of CO2?

and now they are chasing the "fires were deliberately lit" furphy..

no discussion of fuel loads and drought conditions creating "unprecedented" impacts or the fact that those in power lately have reduced funding of emegency services etc by massive amounts...

yes big fires have happened before but the "unprecedented" bit being spoken of by those on the ground must mean something in the grand scheme of things especially when the fire commissioners are sprouting it...

Cutting the funding for emergency services was just a Stupid and shortsighted idea.
Maybe with adequate funding the fuel loads would have been removed by controlled burns and we wouldnt have this bloody disater we are faced with now.
As usual Nobody will be held accoutable for this despite people dieing in these fires.

The refusal by Greens groups to allow Fuel loads to be removed regularly, combined with the encroachment of suburbia into dense vegetation areas is a key disaster waiting to happen.

Remember when the High Country had stock running in it? Eating the ground vegetation... Very simplistic comparison, fuel load was reduced.


No need to argue Climate Change - its an inevtiable cycle of the planet. How we come to terms with it is the key thing.
CO2 isnt the evil monster it is made out of - the planet needs CO2 - only animals want O2.

As was stated earlier - and the phrase needs following down *both* paths - Follow the money [smilebigeye]

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Cutting the funding for emergency services was just a Stupid and shortsighted idea.
Maybe with adequate funding the fuel loads would have been removed by controlled burns and we wouldnt have this bloody disater we are faced with now.
As usual Nobody will be held accoutable for this despite people dieing in these fires.

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I certainly agree that cutting emergency services was a stupid idea - irresponsible.
Fuel loads are high because the drought is extreme and climate change is contributing to that extremeness. Hazard burning does still happen, but it doesn't prevent extreme fire conditions. It's all linked. Instead of trying to blame individual parts, let's just accept the big picture.