Thread: Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

Originally Posted by Johndoe

We talk of Aboriginal Land Management all the time.
What is that?

Aboriginals did not have a common spoken language or written language or anywhere to store or read said writings.
I was under the impression aboriginals kept largely to there own areas or else they would get killed by rival groups?

Aboriginal management was to do bugger all. Let the fires burn and move onto another area.
No organisation or intent rather simply survival.
Fire there lets move. Largely what we are doing right now!!

Aboriginal Land Management LOL.

Doing NOTHING does not mean Land Management!

Reading list

The Biggest Estate in Earth. Bill Gammage.
"Explodes the myth that pre-settlement Australia was an untamed wilderness revealing the complex, country-wide systems of land management used by Aboriginal people. "

Dark Emu. Bruce Pascoe.
"Dark Emu puts forward an argument for a reconsideration of the hunter-gatherer tag for pre-colonial Aboriginal Australians. The evidence insists that Aboriginal people right across the continent were using domesticated plants, sowing, harvesting, irrigating, and storing — behaviours inconsistent with the hunter-gatherer tag. "

Originally Posted by Tombie

Bob

I'm not giving up, never got started, I've lived a life of constant adaptation so never worried about the conditions I have to deal with - just get on with the job
If the climate modelling is to be taken as accurate (!) then the change is already happening and no amount of effort on our part can stop this - as quoted by Climate Scientists

Combined with both the complete lack of acknowledgement of emissions increases due to global population growth projections and the refusal of the global financial groups to see that infinite growth and consumption on a finite resource is physically impossible; we are destined to remain unable to slow significantly or prevent the changes from occuring.

The nature of humans is to push back against authority or restriction of their perceived freedoms - as a species we are brilliant and foolish all at the same time.

What I'm doing is simply acknowledging that remaining in a state of constant concern will do nothing but raise blood pressure, shorten life span and impact mental health. What I'm very good at is deciding to let these go - if I can not control or influence the outcome.

Anyone believing that any protest, march, complaint, group or organisation can alter the course of this in a major way is living in a bubble.

Unlike CFCs (or even Nukes to a point) which could easily be substituted and therefore globally banned and have an impact - production of GHGs is a given, ongoing, natural and otherwise, phenomenon that just by the very act of living continues to occur. More living, more GFGs created (and more again when we decompose at the end).

The very sharp reality of the topic of this thread is not that climate change is the issue - total lack of preparedness, desire to locate in unsuitable surroundings, inappropriate constructions, lack of "maintenance" of fire prone areas, inappropriate local management policies and even a good dose of NIMBY meant that the conditions presented by the current climate were perfect for what has occured.

Humans are a blight on the landscape and like White ants on a piece of Pine, are the termites of this planet...

As mentioned above, the matter of over population is important to the debate. The human body is 18% carbon and when decaying, releases this carbon and eventually, CO² into the atmosphere. In 1900 the world population was under 2 billion. In 2019 it was around 7.8 billion. That would seem to point to a huge increase in the number of deaths per year and therefore, a huge increase in carbon release, not to mention the increase caused by 7.8 billion people exhaling.
Every person emits approx. 2 tonnes of CO² each year so, in 1900, there were say, 4 billion tonnes produced. In 2019 that equated to 15.6 billion tonnes. If CC zealots can't see an issue there then there's not much hope for a sensible discussion.

This is a useful plain English explanation of how adaptation and mitigation might work to reduce the more severe consequences of climate change, which is already barrelling along like a train out of control.

Analysis: The two climate change conversations we need to have at the same time
Mitigation or adaptation? When it comes to climate change, it's not a case of either/or - Science News - ABC News

Originally Posted by rick130

Reading list

The Biggest Estate in Earth. Bill Gammage.
"Explodes the myth that pre-settlement Australia was an untamed wilderness revealing the complex, country-wide systems of land management used by Aboriginal people. "

Dark Emu. Bruce Pascoe.
"Dark Emu puts forward an argument for a reconsideration of the hunter-gatherer tag for pre-colonial Aboriginal Australians. The evidence insists that Aboriginal people right across the continent were using domesticated plants, sowing, harvesting, irrigating, and storing — behaviours inconsistent with the hunter-gatherer tag. "

Spot on. Every Australian should read those two books, I reckon. Until you do, you probably have no clue.

Originally Posted by Saitch

As mentioned above, the matter of over population is important to the debate. The human body is 70% carbon and when decaying, releases this carbon and eventually, CO² into the atmosphere. ……...

Surely this is only a problem if being cremated or having an above ground burial (if there is such a thing), as if buried ones carbon is sequestrated under ground?

By the time climate change gets to the stage of endangering mankind we will have bread ourselves out of existence anyway So climate change is a "Moot" point

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Spot on. Every Australian should read those two books, I reckon. Until you do, you probably have no clue.

There are some issues with both books, but they contain a ton of references and bibliography so anyone can access most of the original source material and make their own minds up..

I've spent the best part of the last couple of months doing this, which has led to diversions to even more info. Some of it is seriously eye opening........ e.g what Sturt came across on 5.2.1829 and reports almost casually in his journal.

Seeing this getting a little OT, I'd like to get it back towards 'the changing landscape' and water levels with the Oz gov nomination for world heritage for the west Vic site, signed by Josh a couple of years ago. It's about 15Mb.

https://www.environment.gov.au/syste...on-dossier.pdf

Some of the stuff I've come across contains 1840 ish images of landscapes that are very, very different from the landscapes I'm very familiar with today, having worked in the creeks and rivers there over the last 20 years.

cheers, DL

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