Thread: Work for Dole?

So we keep giving out free qualifications and no one applies for any jobs advertised, I can see how that works Zeros .....really

what you should be worried about is how badly we think of our older generation.

Is this how you want YOUR parents treated in their old age?

The brand new Royal Commision may shake things up,, but in the end its greed that caused the Commision to happen.

at the expense of YOUR parents and grandparents.





How much would YOU want to watch a friend wither and die?
then repeat, over and over, because thats what any long term retirement "village" employee does,, watches their friends die.


so,, name your pay scale,, dont be shy,,

then see if the shareholders agree....

Originally Posted by RobMichelle

So we keep giving out free qualifications and no one applies for any jobs advertised, I can see how that works Zeros .....really

You'll need to be more specific.
- I'd suggest that thousands of people are applying for thousands of jobs every day.
- Which 'free qualifications' are you talking about?

Originally Posted by RobMichelle

So we keep giving out free qualifications and no one applies for any jobs advertised,

if they had good conditions and paid well enough they would get heaps of applicants i would imagine

free market pressures and all that sort of thing that is supposed to make the world a better place...

Originally Posted by Zeros

You'll need to be more specific.
- I'd suggest that thousands of people are applying for thousands of jobs every day.
- Which 'free qualifications' are you talking about?

There are a Lot of very good courses to get people well qualified for various rolls and there are a lot of shonkey operators that run pretty crap courses that simply hand out the same qualifications by merely completing the course regardless of wither you are competent or not.
This is a "Growth" industry that is being used Not only by the welfare department but industry as a whole so that our bosses can cover their arses and save money on training at the same time AND it is being used by Centrelink to either genuinely get people into/back into the workforce or to simply keep the occupied/off the streets/out of trouble.
Having qualifications on paper Without ANY basic experience is NO guarantee of getting employment especially now that the majority of prospective employers are a "Wake Up" to how ineffective these short courses are in preparing someone for a "Real Time" position, The REAL quality that prospective employers are looking for is "Attitude" and a willingness to do the job and Learn how to do it Well, Sadly a Lot of the long term unemployed Lack these qualities.

As for a Living wage (Who decides how much that is going to be?) being doled out to everyone so that the people that want a better life can work and strive for that goal and the ones that don't can live in comfort doing bugger all, How exactly is that going to work?
Even us baby boomers experimented with this idea in the 60's/70's with the hippy movement and that was a complete fail.
It is probably Nice for the lazy/unambitious to want to be able to "Drop Out" or Not participate at all in the workforce at all But in reality at the end of the day SOMEBODY has to do the work otherwise civilisation as we know it will fall to pieces.
What if all the doctors nurses firefighters and other essential people decided that **** it let someone else do this job as I don't have to anymore because I have this "Living Wage" that I can comfortably live on without lifting a finger.

What people here receive on welfare is considered to be a small fortune by people from other areas of the world (That's probably why Australia is the "Go To" destination for all these "refugees" that want to get here) and they have absolutely NO problems surviving on it.
Newstart/the dole was NEVER designed to be a "Living Wage" it has always been designed as a "Safety Net" not a "Prop" and people are EXPECTED to work and provide for themselves and their family unless they are ill, disabled or simply too old to be able to be gainfully employed, Not "Wanting" to work is NOT a reason for the rest of society to have to provide for these people and their families.

Originally Posted by incisor

if they had good conditions and paid well enough they would get heaps of applicants i would imagine

free market pressures and all that sort of thing that is supposed to make the world a better place...

Well said, Inc. The low pay is a major reason why so many low level jobs are not easily filled. Who wants to do scut work, often heavy, dirty, wearing for minimum wage or not much more. Farm harvest labour is the classic example. Poorly paid, often piece work not wages, commonly hot, dirty, physically hard. Local unemployed won't work for farmers they know are skinflint slave drivers. So we import slave labour from the Pacific Islands who are subsistence farmers in their homelands and any money sent from Australia is a bonus, or backpackers who accept any pay as it is holiday money to be spent on grog and touring. Not to mention the accommodation provided to harvest workers which is often sub-standard, almost third world.

Originally Posted by trout1105

What people here receive on welfare is considered to be a small fortune by people from other areas of the world (That's probably why Australia is the "Go To" destination for all these "refugees" that want to get here) and they have absolutely NO problems surviving on it.
Newstart/the dole was NEVER designed to be a "Living Wage" it has always been designed as a "Safety Net" not a "Prop" and people are EXPECTED to work and provide for themselves and their family unless they are ill, disabled or simply too old to be able to be gainfully employed, Not "Wanting" to work is NOT a reason for the rest of society to have to provide for these people and their families.

Read post No. 55 in this thread. In it I explain why Newstart Allowance is paid.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Well said, Inc. The low pay is a major reason why so many low level jobs are not easily filled. Who wants to do scut work, often heavy, dirty, wearing for minimum wage or not much more. Farm harvest labour is the classic example. Poorly paid, often piece work not wages, commonly hot, dirty, physically hard. Local unemployed won't work for farmers they know are skinflint slave drivers. So we import slave labour from the Pacific Islands who are subsistence farmers in their homelands and any money sent from Australia is a bonus, or backpackers who accept any pay as it is holiday money to be spent on grog and touring. Not to mention the accommodation provided to harvest workers which is often sub-standard, almost third world.

I know what you mean. My work life from 15 years old was cold wet homesick and frightened

The purely mental health benefits of doing any thing productive occur as a volunteer or low paid work I think. Met a person yesterday doing a menial job cleaning. They were very proud they were not in the safety net which might have given them a similar amount of money. I know another person who delivers junk mail for peanuts who has lost 50kg while doing it. Un-taxable "Fringe benefits' of working and being productive are not just cash I think.