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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbjorn View Post
    Bob, those propulsion systems are complex and by the Law of Colonel Murphy USAAC will have problems simply due to complexity and operating in a hostile environment (salt water). What is wrong with a large powerful modern engine? Have a look at the eight E class container vessels built for Maersk Line. Over 120,000 tons, 13,500 to 15,000 TEU containers, cruise 20+ knots, single diesel engine and shaft, 109,000 horsepower. Then note how the yard in Copenhagen builds them in months. We take years to build small warships.
    Well, any one can build a hull. It's when you get to the really complex defensive and offensive systems that go into that hull that takes time to get it right.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

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    Almost every warship engine is the same now. The same engines used in a 747

    Not kidding. Even the RMS Queen Mary 2 has gas turbines ( and older engine they would not be able to start building today!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver View Post
    Almost every warship engine is the same now. The same engines used in a 747

    Not kidding. Even the RMS Queen Mary 2 has gas turbines ( and older engine they would not be able to start building today!)
    Interesting that, ND. Do the Turbines actually directly drive a prop through a gearbox or do they generate power to drive pods?

    Edited. Don't know about QM 2 but seems a common method anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    Interesting that, ND. Do the Turbines actually directly drive a prop through a gearbox or do they generate power to drive pods?
    This might explain it better than I can. It is both Direct and indirect via electricity. The first Aussie ships with gas turbines were the FFGs. Like our discos turbo whine just a lot louder. .
    Gas Turbines as Ships Main Engines

    The link below shows you some of the actual engines. Much more effecent than my first Fuel Oil ship HMAS Vampire
    Military Gas Turbine | GE Aviation

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    SNAP, to my above Ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver View Post
    This might explain it better than I can. It is both Direct and indirect via electricity. The first Aussie ships with gas turbines were the FFGs. Like our discos turbo whine just a lot louder. .
    Gas Turbines as Ships Main Engines

    The link below shows you some of the actual engines. Much more effecent than my first Fuel Oil ship HMAS Vampire
    Military Gas Turbine | GE Aviation
    Oh for the days of Steam, where the Tiffies & Stokers actually steamed the ship. No such thing as air conditioned machinery control rooms. Just sweat and hard work, and a decent amount of skill. And I think we lived on side of road in carboard box.
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    Raising steam. An instructional movie. Of course not at short notice like gas turbines, or diesel, but if at short notice we steamed auxiliary, one boiler flashed up, generators running.

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    The steamship " Shieldhall"
    The Steamship Shieldhall is the largest working steamship in Britain. A member of the National Historic Fleet she serves as a sea going tribute to Britain's maritime heritage. This documentary gives you a behind the scenes look at preparing the ship for sailing.
    One of my regrets as steam Tiffie in the RAN is I didn't get the chance to serve on HMAS Diamontina, [ not sure of the spelling.] the only steam ship with triple expansion steam engines in the RAN at that time. The engineering roughly went triple expansion steam engines, steam turbines, diesel, CODAG [ combined diesel and gas turbines.] If you have read the book 'sand pebbles' you would have read Holman's explanation of the operation of triple expansion engines to the Chinese stoker. Classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    Well, any one can build a hull. It's when you get to the really complex defensive and offensive systems that go into that hull that takes time to get it right.
    Perhaps the large difference in build times between warships and merchant vessels can be explained this way. Merchant vessels are ordered by companies who want them delivered tomorrow and out on the ocean hauling freight and making money. Warships are usually built to the beat of the government stroke except in wartime when need might become more urgent. Warship construction can be delayed or cancelled for political or budgetary reasons. "Treasurer, we need more money for schools, hospitals, and our salaries". "Well then, stop building those white elephants for the Navy and use that money."
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    Oh for the days of Steam, where the Tiffies & Stokers actually steamed the ship. No such thing as air conditioned machinery control rooms.

    Now now bob, those reminiscent thoughts are all warm & fuzzy (ask me, I have them all the time, me living in the past)

    But would you really really really wish to to go back there today?


    Thought not.

    In real life I used to work with an Ex -RAN Stoker who told stories of stoking on various HM vessels & ports he'd been to. HM Ships Melbourne & Sydney spring to mind but cannot recall the others. It was probably 50 years ago when we last spoke. I wonder whether all Stokers were as sexually depraved as this guy? Maybe it formed part of his Course?

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