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  1. 25th August 2019, 05:40 PM #1
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    Question Petrol VS diesel?

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    So I know the advantages and disadvantages of a petrol vs diesel engine. But.
    Recently returning from Finland, my brother in law had got a hold of a diesel Volkswagen very cheaply from Sweden. “You are not even allowed to drive a diesel car into places in Stockholm now”. So, many areas of Europe are going hybrid or petrol only. And to use a diesel is also taxed to the max. Anti-pollution devices are also at ‘max technology’ with ad-blue etc. So diesel is dying in the big markets.
    For us, surely this means that the market for diesel cars will soon be in decline here through lack of availability, leaving us with only outdated diesel tech (as no one will be making ‘new’ diesel engines for cars/4x4)s.
    At what point do you think it will be impossible or unwise to buy a diesel vehicle? We already see some Toyos in ‘petrol only’...
    Our local Caltex owner looked ****ed when I asked him where an e-car could charge in town! In Finland, you plug in at the car park and I think use an app to pay whilst you go shopping!
    Crazy to think that in our lifetime, we may see not only no diesel, but no service stations!
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    Anti-pollution devices are definately not at "Max Technology". There are still significant gains they have technology for with reducing diesel pollution that are not yet on cars.

    Bosch details its diesel emissions technology - ETI Magazine
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    Finland is a completely different market to Australia,no comparison at all.

    Diesel will be here for many years to come,heavy vehicles and machinery will need it even if usage in smallish vehicles drops off.

    And as Slunnie has said,new diesel technology is still appearing.
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    I think Finland has special tax arrangements to favour EVs.
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    AFAIK diesel light commercials and cars are banned in Saudi Arabia, which is Toyota's biggest market for Land Cruiser and Hilux. They have been banned forever ,at least back as far as 1980.

    Yet diesel versions are still sold in Australia.

    There are many many world markets where diesels are not and will not be banned.

    And I must say that I doubt that diesels will end up banned in Europe. I read a while ago that VW predict that EVs will be between 5-10% of car sales by AFAIR 2025.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    Anti-pollution devices are definately not at "Max Technology". There are still significant gains they have technology for with reducing diesel pollution that are not yet on cars.

    Bosch details its diesel emissions technology - ETI Magazine
    Well, I agree - I meant max ‘economic’ tech - as in, will anyone invest in more diesel tech?
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    I'll certainly never buy another diesel engined vehicle, and if the F1C in my Iveco blows up I'll be replacing it with a Petrol Engine , Either a 3.8L Commodore or a LS (Auto) . The amount of pollution crap on a Diesel now has taken the shine off them and they are now less reliable than petrol engines. Petrol engines have developed to a state where there is minimal bolted on pollution crap as their ECU looks after the emissions. (well until there PPF is mandated here) .
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    It’s interesting times - whether the remaining diesel markets like ours will be enough to support their development? Or whether they will fade out, with limited parts and service available.
    I’d go electric in a heartbeat if it could do 1000km and recharge in 30mins!
    The comment RE tax on diesels is right. In fact in most of Scandinavia the tax on diesels is high. I think Norway? is aiming for all hybrids and EV ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    AFAIK diesel light commercials and cars are banned in Saudi Arabia,
    whats the reason behind this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davros View Post
    Well, I agree - I meant max ‘economic’ tech - as in, will anyone invest in more diesel tech?
    I do think so. Engine component manufacturers like Bosch etc will still be developing this technology for the heavy diesel industry which isn't going anywhere at this stage.

    Diesel engine tech has generally been a long way ahead of Petrol though.
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