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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    Wasn't the 48-215 (FX), originally a Pontiac design? Pontiac were one step up the GM prestige ladder from the entry level Chevrolet. Oldsmobile and Buick were the next steps, culminating in the highly prestigious, range topping Cadillac.
    You could be right, I thought it was Chevrolet (could be misremembering it), but the main point of course is that it was a Detroit design, not an Australian one. It had been planned to go to the US market in 1943, but of course by then the USA was at war, and it was put on hold. By the end of the war, it was considered too small for the home market.

    By 1943 standards, especially in the US it was advanced, being of unitary construction, but by 1948 was definitely dated in design. Not that this really mattered - most of the competition was either the prewar design unchanged or the prewar design with a facelift - and in any case, with few new cars sold during the Depression, and almost none during the war, cars were in very short supply. I remember when I was going to school in the 1940s the bus went past a place that specialised in parts for Chevrolet fours (and also sold them). The last of these was sold in about 1929.
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    Here is an argument Holden AKA GMH should have concentrated on the auto components sector, rather than car manufacture, after tariff ptotection was removed. In other words it was a flawed business model. Makes sense, too late now of course.

    "In retrospect, we can sympathise with governments not wishing to pull the plug on a major industry employing many thousands of workers. Not many countries can sustain an integrated car manufacturing industry. Most don’t even try. Those that succeed do so because they can control their own destiny, including investing in future technologies, skills and market development. The only part of the Australian car industry that could control its own destiny was the auto components sector, which was world-competitive. "


    Holden's dead end shows government policy should have taken a different road


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    Sounds logical, if Detroit had been prepared to buy Australian-made components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Sounds logical, if Detroit had been prepared to buy Australian-made components.
    Problem was that the government got in bed with Detroit in 1947, with no Australian control at all. Head office was never going to let the Australian arm compete with head office. If the Australian government had been prepared to back an Australian company to the extent they did the foreign ones, there may have been a case for making cars here, although that is unlikely, as it would have needed a lot of exports to get the volume needed. And Australia has always been a poor place for manufacturing compared to most of our competitors, for a wide range of reasons. Not just the cost of labour, but tax structures, shortage of capital, distances, transport costs, power costs, land costs etc etc! In 1947 there was very little transport by road - it was all by rail, run by state monopolies, or by sea, with your shipping at the mercy of waterside worker's and seamen's unions and near monopoly ship owners and stevedoring companies..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Problem was that the government got in bed with Detroit in 1947, with no Australian control at all. Head office was never going to let the Australian arm compete with head office. If the Australian government had been prepared to back an Australian company to the extent they did the foreign ones, there may have been a case for making cars here, although that is unlikely, as it would have needed a lot of exports to get the volume needed. And Australia has always been a poor place for manufacturing compared to most of our competitors, for a wide range of reasons. Not just the cost of labour, but tax structures, shortage of capital, distances, transport costs, power costs, land costs etc etc! In 1947 there was very little transport by road - it was all by rail, run by state monopolies, or by sea, with your shipping at the mercy of waterside worker's and seamen's unions and near monopoly ship owners and stevedoring companies..
    I seem to remember a story that the then Chairman of GM in the 40's questioning why they were doing business in and with a government of a country so Socialist that its railways were State owned Holden axed in Aussie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    I seem to remember a story that the then Chairman of GM in the 40's questioning why they were doing business in and with a government of a country so Socialist that its railways were State owned Holden axed in Aussie.
    Yes, that probably increased the price Chifley had to pay to get Holden established as a manufacturer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    I seem to remember a story that the then Chairman of GM in the 40's questioning why they were doing business in and with a government of a country so Socialist that its railways were State owned Holden axed in Aussie.
    I didn't realise you were that old, Rick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    I didn't realise you were that old, Rick.
    Hold my age well, don't I? Holden axed in Aussie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    Hold my age well, don't I? Holden axed in Aussie.
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    I myself run a business
    Anybody can shed some lights on how to get government subsidy like Holden from the US of A?
    Mind you mine is Australian business. Does it mean mine is not eligible?

    My business provides 20 employments amd if you want to count all the "externalities" I created I would guess the business contributed between 5 to 10 million $ to the wider society, depending on how much I want to spend on the economic analysis and how optimistic the parameters are.
    If anybody suggest me to pump the profit overseas and claim running the business at a financial loss, please stop. You should know It's not easy for the small players. For GM , maybe.

    Cheers

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