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Originally Posted by Homestar

Agree but the logistics of building that amount of storage would take literally years even if it was decided today to do this. Where, who’s paying, who could even build them at the moment - there aren’t that many companies that can build tanks the size we are talking about here, let alone multiples at once. Sadly there isn’t enough vision from anyone to plan to do this as it’s all about the almighty dollar and no one would want to foot the bill.

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Don't you have anything else to bring to the debate? Common sense and practicality, so unexciting and intelligent.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Interesting video there at the bottom. Our honorable PM saying that teachers are not at risk of contracting from students and that they're more at risk in the staffroom. Throw them to the dogs. When I saw the Dr yesterday he said the opposite and that he wouldn't be sending his kids to school, the risk is there and it flys in the face of everything we have done with social isolation. This is a Dr that has dealt with COVID-19.

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Some of us are facing that situation daily.
I'm and out of supermarkets, department stores and shopping centres all day, and sometimes want to scream at people to get the **** away as they reach over me when I'm working on a trading floor stripping a case.
Food still needs to be chilled and frozen, work spaces still need to be cooled.

Thankfully there doesn't appear to be community transmission here, as I worry about taking it into a nursing home.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Interesting video there at the bottom. Our honorable PM saying that teachers are not at risk of contracting from students and that they're more at risk in the staffroom. Throw them to the dogs. When I saw the Dr yesterday he said the opposite and that he wouldn't be sending his kids to school, the risk is there and it flys in the face of everything we have done with social isolation. This is a Dr that has dealt with COVID-19.

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The Marist College cluster is our second biggest cluster of cases here in NZ.

COVID-19 - Significant clusters | Ministry of Health NZ

See a news item about it from April 14. Coronavirus: Marist College cluster rises to 93 cases with overnight spike | Stuff.co.nz

Another wonder drug proven to just not work.

Drug championed by Trump for coronavirus shows no benefit, possible harm in study awaiting validation

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Agree but the logistics of building that amount of storage would take literally years even if it was decided today to do this. Where, who’s paying, who could even build them at the moment - there aren’t that many companies that can build tanks the size we are talking about here, let alone multiples at once. Sadly there isn’t enough vision from anyone to plan to do this as it’s all about the almighty dollar and no one would want to foot the bill.

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We mightn't have to build a great deal. Just find some large underground mines [ Mt Isa ? Broken Hill? ]and store the crude oil there. That's what the US has done. Whether they had to line the caverns with some rubber solution or some such I don't know. Surely we have people in this country that can organise this. When did we , as a Nation, stop trying because some one thought it was too hard? The Snowy River scheme shouldn't be the crowning glory of Australia's achievements. Or are we modern Aussies just not up to it? The US SPR Strategic Petroleum Reserves ;

Crude oil is stored at the SPR in underground salt caverns at

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major oil storage facilities in the Gulf Coast region of the United States, two sites in Texas (Bryan Mound and Big Hill) and two sites in Louisiana (West Hackberry and Bayou Choctaw).

How the USA manufactured their SPR caverns, Come on Aussie, come on!

Strategic Petroleum Reserve | Department of Energy

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Originally Posted by bob10

We mightn't have to build a great deal. Just find some large underground mines [ Mt Isa ? Broken Hill? ]and store the crude oil there. That's what the US has done. Whether they had to line the caverns with some rubber solution or some such I don't know. Surely we have people in this country that can organise this. When did we , as a Nation, stop trying because some one thought it was too hard? The Snowy River scheme shouldn't be the crowning glory of Australia's achievements. Or are we modern Aussies just not up to it? The US SPR Strategic Petroleum Reserves ;

Crude oil is stored at the SPR in underground salt caverns at

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major oil storage facilities in the Gulf Coast region of the United States, two sites in Texas (Bryan Mound and Big Hill) and two sites in Louisiana (West Hackberry and Bayou Choctaw).

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We tried something like that in Darwin after above ground fuel storage was bombed.

They were not a great success, but are now a tourist attraction worth visiting.

World War II Oil Storage Tunnels - Darwin

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Originally Posted by bob10

We mightn't have to build a great deal. Just find some large underground mines [ Mt Isa ? Broken Hill? ]and store the crude oil there. That's what the US has done. Whether they had to line the caverns with some rubber solution or some such I don't know. Surely we have people in this country that can organise this. When did we , as a Nation, stop trying because some one thought it was too hard? The Snowy River scheme shouldn't be the crowning glory of Australia's achievements. Or are we modern Aussies just not up to it? The US SPR Strategic Petroleum Reserves ;

Crude oil is stored at the SPR in underground salt caverns at

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major oil storage facilities in the Gulf Coast region of the United States, two sites in Texas (Bryan Mound and Big Hill) and two sites in Louisiana (West Hackberry and Bayou Choctaw).

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Bob, there are a lot more self interest organisations, perceived ownership groups, enviro groups ( some fair dinkum and necessary), public grandstanding and the like to take into consideration than there was 50 years ago and I do believe that the U.S. authorities involved are probably not as easy to bend over as our decision makers are.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

We tried something like that in Darwin after above ground fuel storage was bombed.

They were not a great success, but are now a tourist attraction worth visiting.

World War II Oil Storage Tunnels - Darwin

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Part of my time in Darwin [ Before patrol boats] was spending time as duty watch ensuring the security of the Darwin oil farm. Eleven tanks were to be built, only 6 were finished , and No 3 went when Fort hill went. That left 5, two were used during the Indonesian confrontation to store jet fuel for our fighters and bombers. But this concept is nothing like the concept of bulk storage for our strategic petroleum reserves.

Have you been back since they were used to display wartime photos?

They may have changed things since I was there a couple of decades ago.

I thought the way the photos were displayed in groups with the tunnel almost in darkness between the groups added a lot to the atmosphere of the place.