Corona Virus

There are good reasons to believe that the COVID-19 death toll is grossly underestimated.

This article suggests one reason to believe that.

46,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak - The New York Times

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At least 46,000 more people have died during the coronavirus pandemic than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of mortality data in 14 countries shows — providing a clearer, if still incomplete, picture of the toll of the crisis.

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These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died from the virus may soon have died anyway. In Paris, more than twice the usual number of people have died each day, far more than the peak of a bad flu season. In New York City, the number has spiked to six times the normal amount.

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Everyone (in governments) is telling porkies...:firedevil:

Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing [FULL VERSION]

This video was censored by YouTube, Can't see why. [bigwhistle] Maybe he's asking uncomfortable questions, or referring to unintended consequences of being locked down. - child abuse, spousal battering to name two... Or NOT endorsing the Accepted Story.

to quote the intro:-

"...This is the full version of the press conference, called by Bakersfield-based doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, to release the results of their Covid19 testing program.

They report that a higher than expected percentage of people are infected with the coronavirus, but that the vast majority show no symptoms. This is in line with other studies done at Stanford University and by Japanese scientists in China.

If true, the danger of the virus may have been greatly exaggerated by the media, and shelter in place orders/lockdown policies could potentially cause more damage than they prevent... "

Interesting comparison made early and around 58 minute mark, Sweden vs Norway, 'soft' isolation vs Lockdown in Norway. Numbers are not horrifically different as predicted.
And sobering observations about our immune system which needs constant exercise to remain healthy - when locked away for a time... it diminishes... which would imply end of isolation will result in a 'too-great' challenge, and there'll be the much-feared secondary spike.


Discuss.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to me & probably to most people to even begin to imagine what the numbers of dead actually look like.

I mean what do 46,000 corpses even look like? [No funny gags here please] The brain can't seem to compute & imagine those sort of numbers & that is only the number just mentioned that are missing. .

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Originally Posted by superquag

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If true, the danger of the virus may have been greatly exaggerated by the media, and shelter in place orders/lockdown policies could potentially cause more damage than they prevent... "


Discuss.

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These ideas simply fail to come even close to the documented data. There is no question that we are dealing with a new virus that is very dangerous because it is extremely infectious, has a long incubation period, and a fatality rate of around ten times that of influenza. It has no known treatment.

The correct way of dealing with this sort of epidemic has been known for hundreds of years, and history has shown that those jurisdictions that use lockdowns and movement restrictions suffer both fewer deaths and less economic damage.

But we do not even have to go to history. All we have to do is look at the situation for jurisdictions that have used lockdowns (early) and compare them with those that have said "its a media beatup", its no worse than flu", its a Democratic hoax".

For example, compare Australia with the state of Texas - about the same population - Texas has ten times the number of deaths.

The only people who push these ideas are either those who think that the theory of infection and mathematics does not apply to them, or those who think that their wellbeing benefit outweighs someone else's life.

It is not a choice between lockdown with economic and social problems as a result, and life as it was, but a choice between lockdowns and far greater loss of life, even worse social and economic problems as a result of the loss of life and the breakdown of the medical system. You just have to look at Italy or the situation developing in the US, or Brazil, or Indonesia, and compare it to the situation in Australia, or NZ, or South Korea or Taiwan.

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Originally Posted by superquag

And the US ones stop at Week 10, so around 8 weeks behind. It's the trend that looks... interesting. I was expecting COVID to add a much bigger bump

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That data is completely wrong. The death rates are substantially increased this year. There has been no dip below previous years at any time.

U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests - The New York Times
Fact check: CDC still tracking flu deaths, 2019-20 numbers are typical

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Originally Posted by superquag

Interesting comparison made early and around 58 minute mark, Sweden vs Norway, 'soft' isolation vs Lockdown in Norway. Numbers are not horrifically different as predicted.


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They are talking rubbish.

Sweden has 263 deaths per million of population. Norway has 39 deaths per million.

I call that a significant difference.

There are any number of articles explaining just how wrong Dr Erickson is. Read a few of them instead of spreading misinformation.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 3,329,450 Cases and 234,725 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

13 deaths now at Newmarch Aged Care facility in NSW - Thirteenth person dies after contracting coronavirus at Sydney'''s Newmarch House - ABC News

A criminal investigation was started as a result of the Ruby Princess saga, the actions of Newmarch management, internal processes and the response of NSW Health certainly should also be a criminal investigation because something certainly is not correct.

Garry

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

These ideas simply fail to come even close to the documented data. There is no question that we are dealing with a new virus that is very dangerous because it is extremely infectious, has a long incubation period, and a fatality rate of around ten times that of influenza. It has no known treatment.

The correct way of dealing with this sort of epidemic has been known for hundreds of years, and history has shown that those jurisdictions that use lockdowns and movement restrictions suffer both fewer deaths and less economic damage.

It is not a choice between lockdown with economic and social problems as a result, and life as it was, but a choice between lockdowns and far greater loss of life, even worse social and economic problems as a result of the loss of life and the breakdown of the medical system. You just have to look at Italy or the situation developing in the US, or Brazil, or Indonesia, and compare it to the situation in Australia, or NZ, or South Korea or Taiwan.

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Yes, and the evidence is that in the long run going hard on social distancing leads to a better economic outcome:


Cities That Went All In on Social Distancing in 1918 Emerged Stronger for It - The New York Times

On the news this morning - Indonesia officially has 800 covid-19 deaths - but the burial records for March and April show that in Jakarta alone there have been around 2,000 more burials in each of these months than any of the last ten years. While it is possible that all these excess deaths are not due to covid-19, that is most likely explanation.

"Once upon a virus,", an animated leggo cartoon from China. Pretty much says it all. Except why the whistleblower doctor was ignored. And why it took so long for the World to find out.

Once Upon a Virus... pic.twitter.com/FY0svfEKc6