Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by scarry

But if tested in London,maybe one of them,or both,could have been found to be positive.?

What i am saying is we need to do a better job with international travellers.The system we have now is not working.

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Yep, things were not working here but I think have been fixed pretty quickly. If anything needs tweaking in the traveling process to bring certainty, it is the quarantine at the receiving end. I would not rely on two things in this mix. I would not like to rely on the govt of the region being departed from (UK) and I would not rely on the person traveling to take all necessary precautions. Anyone entering, for whatever reason needs to be locked down securely for two weeks on arrival no questions, if, buts or maybe's. Lock down! :bat:

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Originally Posted by bob10

I'm not alone. Every one I speak to wants the border closed until this is over. The only ones complaining are those on the other side of the border. Speaks volumes, doesn't it.

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Reality check:
„closed until this is over“???
‘Live under a rock...forever’?
Where is the evidence that, unlike the flue, this virus could be eliminated? There is none. More likely that we learn to live with it, develop reasonable treatment and get out from under our rocks. All this doomsday talk gets us nowhere and life has to be worth living! Life has its risk and we on this forum seem to accept it otherwise as adding to our quality of life. Otherwise no one would dare drive a Defender. Etc etc...

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Originally Posted by Parker

Reality check:
„closed until this is over“???
‘Live under a rock...forever’?
Where is the evidence that, unlike the flue, this virus could be eliminated? There is none. More likely that we learn to live with it, develop reasonable treatment and get out from under our rocks. All this doomsday talk gets us nowhere and life has to be worth living! Life has its risk and we on this forum seem to accept it otherwise as adding to our quality of life. Otherwise no one would dare drive a Defender. Etc etc...

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As we do NOT have a "Reasonable Treatment" (Vaccine) for this virus at the moment keeping the borders closed and quarantine provisions are the measures keeping us safe.

I think there is a big difference between state border closures and national border closures and some on here don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two. Australia has broadly the same level of risk regardless of which state we are discussing. Using the example of the women in NZ they could have passed the virus to a worker at Brisbane airport and Brisbane would have the potential of community transmission just as any other state that has international arrivals. Closing the border to other Australian states achieves nothing unless there is a broad differential of the level of community spread between states and it would seem that all states are managing quarantine and containment measures pretty well.

International borders will be an issue until Australia has the same risk profile as other countries. Other than NZ there aren't many that match our containment level. Until they do we cannot drop quarantine measures, although there may be the opportunity to open borders whilst having compulsory quarantine if it makes sense in some instances. Not much help for tourism but business and migration might benefit.

Similarly there is the question of allowing Australians to travel overseas which is another can of worms. I'd imagine that it would be impossible to get travel insurance against Covid-19 but there are countries that Australia has a reciprocal medical agreement with such as the UK that might make outbound travel feasible. Naturally Quarantine would be necessary on return.

Regards,
Tote

Very different Premiers, has made a difference. Marshall doesn't go on the media every day for a photo opportunity , Trump like.


M/S xzvfrizxxloerzzzzix seems to be there every day whingeing about this one & that one.


We had a Baldy one of those so gave him the push in due course.[bigrolf]

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Maybe no one wants to go there /*ducks behind barrier

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Great, lets keep it that way. Seems managers need better Management.



What in the hell were they thinking pray tell? Giving people an exemption from quarantine & trusting them to comply with the conditions.

Have they being living on the other side of the Moon & living on Blue Cheese? Proven yet again, selfish people can not be trusted but it is ok for the rest of the population to suffer hardships on their behalf.

BOLLOCKS to them.

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

And of course when they stopped over in Brisbane - who did they infect at the airport.

No doubt if there is a local infection NSW will get the blame.

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Thinking a bit more on this... They were found to be infected here after being in NZ about a week.

If we assume they were infected before boarding the plane in UK, how many were infected on the flight to Doha, Brisbane then NZ?

If we presume someone else was infected on those flights and these sisters caught it on board the flight from the other passenger(s), how many other passengers have caught it and disembarked at Doha, Brisbane and Auckland?

[bighmmm]

As a side issue from this story, it has been revealed approx. 250 passengers a day are arriving at Auckland airport from overseas. It doesn't matter their nationality or their reasons to be here. What matters is health status and the monitoring of this for a quarantine duration. That is a lot of people to be managing. Reading that news I was surprised more cases were not being picked up. In the midst of a global pandemic our quarantine system missed the two infections they needed to find. Two infections per approx 1750 passengers arriving a week? If the management of this quarantine system has been poor enough to allow two out with infections, how good is the monitoring that is being done if only two travelers have been found infected (by an outside testing facility btw) when it would appear a couple of thousand a week are placed in quarantine? Two from approx 1750 in the middle of a global pandemic? 0.11% of our recent arrivals are positive? I call bull**** on that!

How many travelers are disembarking (not just transiting) in Aust each day? How is the traveler being managed? I am hoping this wasn't a very expensive lesson.

Oddly I think we may need to keep Americans out for longer than China [bighmmm]

KEY DATA OF THE DAY

Florida, Texas and Arizona all set records for the most cases they have reported in a single day.

The virus continued its steady spread across the Sun Belt on Tuesday, with state officials in Arizona, Florida and Texas all reporting their largest one-day increases in new cases yet.
Florida reported 2,783 new cases, Texas 2,622, and Arizona 2,392.
The new daily highs came as all three states have increased testing and moved swiftly to ease social distancing restrictions and allow more businesses to reopen. They were among 20 states that have seen the number of newly reported cases grow over the last two weeks, according to a New York Times database.

On a less serious note "Coronavirus: Petition calls on UK to declare war on New Zealand 'then immediately surrender' "[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

UK ploy to get New Zealand'''s Jacinda Ardern to lead the UK

Mostly Republican states which have moved to open early and are having extra cases, from what I've read. The mostly Democrat states which locked down early and have been slow to reopen don't seem to be rising so fast.

On the two women in NZ, if they were there for a week before testing positive, its possible they were infected in NZ. 6-8 days seems to be a common period.

I see Greece, which did well at suppressing the virus, is now open to Australians, but we'd have to quarantine for 14 days after returning to Oz.

And we can't leave the country.....

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Regards,
Tote