Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by superquag

Or the odd "Ooops!" moment, - UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan caused by oral vaccine - ABC News

- Yet another good reason to get ANY vaccine....Right.

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I rest my case......Yeah after watching a lot of suffering and deaths on a large and horrible scale that that was emperically massively reduced by our effects there still affects me and my sleep indeed even after posting my post as I am now awake at 4am as I write this as I am recalling the sights and indeed far worse the smells of the results of people without those nasty vaccines who had various diseases that ran their natural course that wouldnt have suffered horribly and died with proper preventive medical action if only we had been there earlier . So therefore I find interesting indeed revealing that you immediately pivot to that report,.... there were many other factors at play there in my time among many including starvation,lack of immune response,possible genetic factors .co morbidities and many more local factors at play and if you drill down into the factors there you may find answers or factors involved in a complex situation there causing what is reported. In that recent report. . Interestingly I was in Western Sudan out into parts of Chad and CAR among others. My overall memory is how all of the aid workers of many nations I was with never suffered a death while massively exposed to those diseases listed in my post and others . I will let you figure out why.......... And also stay away from this thread for a while for my sleep patterns.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

And yet the working class there have been brainwashed that any other system, like the NHS or our system, is socialism.

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well it is socialism.
the brainwashing is that socialism is bad (when its not)

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Because you've got traces in sewage in cities that have no active cases, according to the Government. It can circulate unseen, as NSW is discovering.

My point is that there were just 3 cases in Melbourne today - in a city of 5,000,0000 people. There were as many cases in Shepparton. The odds of this woman travelling to Melbourne and then catching it here the day she arrived are infinitesimal.

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Traces in sewage have been found in Anglesea, Apollo Bay, Newcastle , on the Hawkesbury, & S.W. Sydney, and Townsville thus far. Testing has been ramped up in all places, sewage testing detects viral fragments of Sars-Cov-2 which causes COVID 19. QLD health has taken the reports in Townsville very seriously, and contact tracing and testing of people with symptoms is being carried out in every place in QLD this woman has been. Reasons for the traces in sewage are not clear cut, But QLD's CMO is treating as if it is a positive case, and taking no chances.


A NSW Health statement said further sampling and analysis was required to assess the significance of the initial result as it could be due to a recovered case “shedding” the virus.

This shedding process can occur for up to four weeks after a person recovers, and according to research published in the journal Nature Medicine, viral material can be excreted up to three days before a person gets any symptoms.
Coronavirus NSW: New cases could be found through sewage

Europe's 2nd wave may have lessons for Australia. Could be many people walking around without symptoms who are positive.


Second wave peaks are significantly higher than in the first wave

During the country’s first wave, France’s daily new case numbers reached a peak of just over 7,500 on March 31. Its new peak was recorded on Sunday with 26,675 new cases in the previous 24 hours, over three times higher than the first peak.
Spain has recorded over 30,000 cases in the last week, with more than 20,000 of these coming from the Madrid region alone.
In the first wave, the UK had a peak number of 7,860 daily cases on April 10, which has jumped to a peak of 17,540 on October 8.
However, these are only the new cases reported from the testing sites. These numbers are known to underestimate the true number of infections, because many people have no symptoms and so are unlikely to get tested.
Researchers from the Imperial College London tested 175,000 people in the UK — whether they reported symptoms or not. They found 824 were positive, and used this to estimate there were around 45,000 new daily infections between September 18 and October 5. This would amount to more than double, or often more than triple, the official daily new positive tests results reported during that time.





https://theconversation.com/europes-...like%20Vietnam

Not sure what the best direction for us in Qz is now after reading what is happening in Europe 100000 new cases in the last 24hrs and the reintroduction of restrictions , what i do understand is that the attitude of some groups of people in this country needs to change .

I for one do not want to go through the Regional lockdowns and the restrictions we had in the earlier part of the year again just because some groups are tide/bored of the problem at hand .

And to the Morons who graffitied the Vic Premiers office , get a life , or put your energy into a solution .

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Because you've got traces in sewage in cities that have no active cases, according to the Government. It can circulate unseen, as NSW is discovering.

My point is that there were just 3 cases in Melbourne today - in a city of 5,000,0000 people. There were as many cases in Shepparton. The odds of this woman travelling to Melbourne and then catching it here the day she arrived are infinitesimal.

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Are you sure there are just 3 cases in Melbourne? It says here that testing in Victoria has dropped by 50% since June.
“NSW, Victoria and SA have all declined in their testing since mid-August,” Professor McLaws said.

Testing numbers in Melbourne, she noted, had fallen by more than 50 per cent since peaking in June.

'Yo-yo cities': Expect unexpected setbacks in COVID fight

As pointed out in today's NSW "coronacast" ( Why can NSW dodge lockdowns, but Victoria can't? - Coronacast - ABC Radio ) the key issue for "opening up" is contact tracing. This podcast points out the key difference between NSW and Victoria - contact tracing resources, largely as a result of the pre-pandemic structure of public health services in the states.

Trouble on both sides of the Atlantic.

Trouble on both sides of the Atlantic

From Milwaukee to Moscow, from Boston to Barcelona, startling fall surges in coronavirus cases are quickly filling hospital beds, threatening fresh lockdowns in Europe and the United States and potentially setting the stage for wintertime peaks.

In the U.S., new cases are rising in 39 states, and the country is registering its highest curve of new cases since August. Hot spots are cropping up in the Northeast, which is starting to backslide after months of progress, and uncontrolled outbreaks in the Northern Plains and the Mountain West are straining hospitals.

Even with testing still insufficient in much of the country, 16 states added more new cases last week than they had in any other weeklong stretch of the pandemic. North Dakota and South Dakota are reporting more new cases per capita than any other states to date.

Across the country, 36,051 people were hospitalized with Covid-19 as of Tuesday evening, a higher number than at any time since Aug. 29, according to the Covid Tracking Project.

In Europe, where a second wave is engulfing countries, the situation is even more troubling. The continent had been held up against the U.S. as an example of effective virus control, but now Spain, France and Britain have all added more cases per capita over the last week than the U.S. has. Over all, the continent averaged 100,000 new infections per day over the past week, about a third of the cases reported worldwide.

There is also growing concern about the damage a winter wave could sow in the formerly Communist countries of Central Europe, which have weak health care systems, critical shortages of doctors and nurses and some of the highest transmission rates in Europe.

For weeks, European leaders have desperately tried to avoid reimposing economically damaging lockdowns, opting instead for the lightest possible measures. However, the current wave is now forcing fresh containment measures — bars and clubs have been shuttered in Prague and pubs and gyms closed in Liverpool, and masks are now mandatory in public indoor spaces in Amsterdam. Northern Ireland will lock down for four weeks.

In the most vivid sign of the deteriorating situation, President Emmanuel Macron of France declared a state of emergency today and said he would impose a curfew of 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. in the Paris region and eight other major metropolitan areas, beginning on Saturday.

“The virus is everywhere in France,” he said.

If you look at the 'daily new cases' graph on 'Worldometers' it's pretty obvious that the US has commenced its third wave of infection.

The other graphs tend to confirm this, with recent upturns.

United States Coronavirus: 8,150,383 Cases and 221,850 Deaths - Worldometer

It is very unlikely that there are large numbers of asymptomatic cases in Australia - if there were, there would be a lot more outbreaks - and Australia has enough testing to catch these.

While monitoring sewage is a useful tool to tell you where to test, it needs to be borne in mind that the PCR tests used are not totally reliable in that they detect parts of the virus' RNA, and are extremely sensitive, so that the tests may be detecting partial virus fragments that may be shed long after a patient has recovered. (The PCR tests used with nasal or throat swabs are also extremely sensitive, and are only looking at part of the virus RNA, but recovered patients do not shed fragments of the virus from the nose or throat after recovery). Antibody tests, often touted as wonder tests because they produce almost immediate results, are far less sensitive, and worse, far less accurate, in particular they are prone to false negatives, and some seem to be reading positive for other coronaviruses as well as the current one.