Thread: Corona Virus

But their first death back in March was an Australian who had Covid 19 but may have died of something else.

Australian man, 36, diagnosed with coronavirus dies in Iceland | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

Originally Posted by bob10

The proof will be in the pudding . Interesting to see if Russia publishes the science behind their decision.

There will not be any proof from the Russia testing. People do not understand how difficult it is to determine efficacy with this disease. Less than 70% get any symptoms, less than 15% are bad enough to need treatment. Maybe 2 to 3% get serious symptoms. By the time that you know people will have serious symptoms, it is too late to use any anti viral treatments. Because of this, it is imperative to treat everyone with known infection. You have a short window of a few days where anti viral drugs might be useful.

Now if you give a drug and want to find out if it helps, you need to study large groups with randomized and blind treatments and see if the 2% becomes 1.5%. This is very difficult to do while not messing up the conclusions and have a statistically significant result within the possible error band. In addition, you need to see what the impact of the side effects. You need to determine whether or not the improvement in Covid disease results (if any) outweigh the negative impacts of the drug. It is complicated and even understanding the results is well beyond untrained people.

All of this is why you should never talk about the possible results before they are there and the data has been reviewed by multiple unbiased and knowledgeable groups. Really any of these scientists talking about theories prior to proper study is highly unethical and it amazes me how much of it goes on these days.

Originally Posted by bob10

How Iceland beat the coronavirus. No lockdown, but very effective tracing and tracking, albeit on a small population.

They have 30000 people and one "city" with complete and simple border control. I have more people living within 5 km of my home. There are twice as many people in Newfoundland and they have killed it as well (same size island). Not hard. Keeping it out will be impossible. The whole place relies on tourism. 2.3 million visitors a year.

Originally Posted by Red90

There will not be any proof from the Russia testing. People do not understand how difficult it is to determine efficacy with this disease. Less than 70% get any symptoms, less than 15% are bad enough to need treatment. Maybe 2 to 3% get serious symptoms. By the time that you know people will have serious symptoms, it is too late to use any anti viral treatments. Because of this, it is imperative to treat everyone with known infection. You have a short window of a few days where anti viral drugs might be useful.

Now if you give a drug and want to find out if it helps, you need to study large groups with randomized and blind treatments and see if the 2% becomes 1.5%. This is very difficult to do while not messing up the conclusions and have a statistically significant result within the possible error band. In addition, you need to see what the impact of the side effects. You need to determine whether or not the improvement in Covid disease results (if any) outweigh the negative impacts of the drug. It is complicated and even understanding the results is well beyond untrained people.

All of this is why you should never talk about the possible results before they are there and the data has been reviewed by multiple unbiased and knowledgeable groups. Really any of these scientists talking about theories prior to proper study is highly unethical and it amazes me how much of it goes on these days.

Even testing for this disease is complicated. Not hard to see why a test could be a false positive.

Interim guidelines for COVID_19 antibody testing.

Interim Guidelines for COVID-19 Antibody Testing | CDC

NSW coronavirus milestone as no locally acquired cases confirmed in past week - ABC News

Originally Posted by rick130

NSW coronavirus milestone as no locally acquired cases confirmed in past week - ABC News

Keep that up for another 3 weeks and Maybe you may be able to travel interstate But don't hold your breath.

Originally Posted by Eevo

Unfortunately, a practical example of 'Darwinism' at work

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