Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by Grumbles

They are all up here!

During Melbournes lockdown the number of Melbourne cars and Melbourne people here grows rapidly each day. Normally the afternoons sees very few people in the supermarket and way more empty car spaces than occupied ones. But not now. The supermarket is packed with non locals all day long and finding a car park sees laps been done until one appears. Covid compliance designed to keep people home is simply non existant.

Is it worse than when we had the ring of steel?

According to CDC and a few others.

You can still transmit the virus when double jabbed.
Likelihood reduces however it still remains you can carry and transmit.

It’s the survival component that improves.

Although there is now research showing the effectiveness for those jabbed in January may now be below 20%

Hence the plan for booster shots.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

I get my second AZ next Tuesday: the local clinic was going to give it to me a couple of days short of 12 weeks and when i queried that they said it was still fine. Hmmmm .... I booked the next slot, a couple of days past the 12 weeks.

tThe current Federal medical advice is that the second Az jab should be reduced from 12 weeks to between four and 6 weeks.

Originally Posted by Tombie

According to CDC and a few others.

You can still transmit the virus when double jabbed.
Likelihood reduces however it still remains you can carry and transmit.

It’s the survival component that improves.

Although there is now research showing the effectiveness for those jabbed in January may now be below 20%

Hence the plan for booster shots.

There is a lot of confusion between the effectiveness of a vaccine from an individual perspective, and its efficacy as a public health measure.

Consider for example the current delta variant. If you have this, you will on average infect around five other (unvaccinated) people. However, the data shows that both the vaccines we have in use will mean that this infection rate is reduced by about 90%, both by preventing infection and reducing the shedding of virus because those infected only have very mild cases. This reduces the average number of infections passed on from five 0.5 if all the people you are in contact with are vaccinated. In this case, the pandemic would rapidly die out. Of course, you never will have every person vaccinated, but it is fairly easy to calculate that for this variant you need, looking at it as a public health measure, around 80% vaccinated.

We do not know how long immunity lasts, except from population-wide infectivity calculations. The figures you see such as the 20% above are derived from the circulating antibodies in very small populations, and the evidence that this correlates with protection is shaky at best in any case.

The real life data that led to the Director of the CDC to characterise the current rise in cases in the USA as "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" strongly suggests that the vaccines are still pretty effective. In those places that have fairly high levels of vaccination and that have relaxed restrictions, it is well documented that around 95% of hospital admissions and almost all deaths are unvaccinated, even where these are in a small minority, as in the UK.

Originally Posted by 101RRS

tThe current Federal medical advice is that the second Az jab should be reduced from 12 weeks to between four and 6 weeks.

I’m not sure that official yet??

Not that I’ve liked for a link……..but the medical centre I was at today said the ado was is still 12 weeks.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

So if you breath in the the virus, it needs to get into your system and incubate before it starts using you as a host to spread to other people - the spreading doesn't begin from the moment you breath it in.

Couple of days AFAIK

When properly vaccinated, of the people that would have got covid from an exposure, you will be 80-90% less likely to have a break through infection, which is getting covid from that exposure despite proper vaccination. Even if you are exposed to covid, but don't get a break through infection of covid then you won't spread covid to other people. You don't carry and transmit covid but not be infected by covid also. This is why it will be a pandemic of the unvaxinated.

Not correct at all AFAIK

If you do get covid and are properly vaccinated then you're also 90% less likely to end up in hospital compared to unvaxinated. If you are properly vaccinated it is very doubtful you will die from it. I had heard nobody who is double Vaccinated has died in Aus, but I'm not sure that this is still true.

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DL

Not missing it at all. If vaccinated people have lower viral loads they are less likely to transmit or get seriously ill.

That's all I'll say, as others have already explained it well.

Originally Posted by Tombie

You are missing the understanding in your post (or miscommunication) of how the Vax works.

You can/will still carry and transmit the virus.
You just won’t be likely to snuff it because you have it.

Therefore it’s not going to stop it moving around, just will cause lower loads on the health system.

And on talk back radio today came an interesting observation. With no covid cases at large in SA, there was still huge ramping issues at hospitals.
If we cannot handle daily medical, we have no hope of handling a Covid break-out.

Originally Posted by 350RRC

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DL

No. If I am right, a man in his 90s who was in palliative care, but had been double vaccinated, died yesterday in Sydney after contracting covid-19.