Value of Manual Cars

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

I had an old VW Golf that had worn the synchro on 2nd to nothing, and then developed an induction leak so wanted to stall under brakes, so I used to have to heel and toe it and double clutch it when slowing to a stop.

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Force of habit, I heel and toe, or more correctly, roll the side of the foot in the work utes, both the old Hilux and now the new Tritan.
And it sounds better rowing down the gears [emoji16]

Learnt to drive on a car with a stuffed synchro box, and then ran around the small acreage we had as a teenager on a TEA20 Fergie going up and down the 'box.

Funnily enough we didn't double de-clutch on dog 'box race cars when using the clutch going down the gears.
The ratios were nice and close and the dog faces nice and big, they'd slip through sweetly, the faster the change the better.
Just a blip of the throttle to rev match so the rear end wasn't unsettled under brakes.
Clutchless was really fast, a slight hesitation on the throttle going up, just enough to reduce the load on the 'dogs to get it out of gear and pull out through as quickly as you could move your wrist.
If you didn't rev match properly going down the dog ring faces would start to look a little second hand though.

Having said all that, I love the auto D2 off road.

Like Rick I learned to shift a manual without a clutch. Used to be a fun party trick showing mates on the road shifting that way smoothly. I love rowing the manual on the D2. But I have to say manufacturers these days put a lot of money into their autos and it shows. With modern turbo diesels I would only own an auto. I am enjoying the intuitive 6 speed Aisin auto in the Triton. Very smart and smooth box. Strong too. Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Like Rick I learned to shift a manual without a clutch. Used to be a fun party trick showing mates on the road shifting that way smoothly. I love rowing the manual on the D2. But I have to say manufacturers these days put a lot of money into their autos and it shows. With modern turbo diesels I would only own an auto. I am enjoying the intuitive 6 speed Aisin auto in the Triton. Very smart and smooth box. Strong too. Cheers

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I was taught how to drive a car without a clutch too - and it came in handy once. A young lady friend of mine had an Alfa Sud and the clutch cable let go so I had to drive it back into Hobart from down south somewhere. Wasn't too far away, probably 20 minutes or so.

For someone with a fair amount of mechanical sympathy it was a pretty brutal exercise, particularly starting the car with no clutch in gear on the starter motor.

My good deed was well rewarded - Ahh, the days of being a youth..

Yep, learning to drive cluthless has come in handy a couple of times.
A Jeep years ago kept stretching and breaking the pressure plate retainers, so we'd drive for a couple of weeks sans clutch until we'd organised another.
And I did the same when the Deefer did the customary Tdi punch the pivot through the fork deal.

It's hell on the starter and battery starting in gear, though

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Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

You just need to break torque and not push the pedal more than a couple of inches.

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Interesting, I know a guy that had a road ranger in his old v8 petrol heavy rigid wood truck. once you were rolling, you didn't touch the clutch. You just eased it through the gears by picking the revs.

seeya,
Shane L.

In 1963 I negotiated the afternoon peak in Brisbane in my Series 2 with no clutch. That was fun.

My claim to clutchless fame relates to a Detroit diesel humpy bus in San Francisco.
on a tpour of Muir Woods the clutch failed and the black American driver had no idea.
Recovery was not for hours, so I crouched down beside him and. Showed him how to drive clutchless.
Second time was in AMpang Plaza underground car park in KL. ,Mazda 323 cable went. It was fun timing to get through the boom gate and up the ramp then home on Japan Ampang , then one of the busiest roads in KL.
That is jalan Ampang. The bloody iPad will not even let me correct it.
regards PhilipA

A couple of years ago, the clutch plate on my 1992 Camry broke in such a way that it wouldn't disengage.
I was near Bankstown and on my way to Forresters Beach, over 80km away.
I managed to get there by starting in first at the traffic lights and going directly to fourth to reduce the number of gear changes necessary.
I made it without any apparent damage top the gearbox, but found it much harder than it used to be in a Series II land Rover.
My excuse is that the Camry engine is so quiet and so responsive that it is much harder to judge the revs.
When I drove the University of New England LWB Series II, I could drive all day without the clutch, including driving in low range. It was quite easy to know what revs the engine was doing.

Synchro boxes are harder to drive clutchless than crash or dog boxes

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Originally Posted by rick130

Synchro boxes are harder to drive clutchless than crash or dog boxes

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I've driven home to many times with no clutch. Most recent was my wifes poogoe.... bloody heap of merde. It only gave me about 4years warning from a progressively worsening rattling flywheel... before "suddenly" failing for no reason [bighmmm] [bigwhistle]. Not that I ever leave things until they fail :blink: Nowhere near as easy to drive with no clutch as my old cars with heavy flywheels and slow revving motors.

seeya,
Shane L.