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[Saitch]

12,000 hours! That's a long apprenticeship.Doctors don't go that long.

There's skill involved in auto painting!

[Epic_Dragon]

haha i think the landscape painter most skilled based on talent and any training LOL. but not sure what a house painter has to to to learn that? I spent 4 years learning my trade

you can be my apprentice? just get paint and then I can help you paint it! i can only manage a panel at a time these days, well that is the goal haha.

[4bee]

The drinking, silly.



Seems you have known some very interesting bods in your time.

SA Apprenticeships were four years + one year workshop (on the job training) although some I believe were three years + 2 years workshop. Some other trades may have been entirely different.

Nowadays they seem to be all over the place.
First year from memory was Elec. & basics. 2nd year, again from mem, was Elec +Refrigeration.


One day each fortnight W/S @ Trade School, & Night school each week.
2 hours I think.

Have never calculated hours spent for complete course. Just a lot.

[Gav 110]

When I was 15 I managed to get into a pre apprenticeship at the Midland TAFE college, everyone else in the class were at least 17
The pre apprenticeship went for 1 year
Learnt to weld (taught the other blokes)
Make conduit bells, bend conduit, plastic welding (to make things fit that didn’t), 2 way, 3 way + switching, how to strip cables etc
Nowadays, pre apprenticeships go for 3 months
They get taught how to put on a pair of safety glasses and tell the bosses how to get ****ed, you can’t make me do that, I know, I know, I know and it wasn’t me
I ended up doing a pre apprenticeship and a five year apprenticeship (country work and schooling doesn’t work)
I think they should bring back 6 year apprenticeships
First year - learn to lose the attitude
Second year- learn that they don’t know everything
Then there ready for the other 4 years
Also, 18 is too old to start a trade
Kids should be out there at 15-16 starting their apprenticeship

Just my thoughts after a couple ( of dozen) brews

[Epic_Dragon]

Still learn most of those at tafe not the brushing paint on or airbrushing though. We did learn about thr brushing and its history. I even got to enjoy some extra curriculum stuff in learning lead loading
Airbrushing now separate courses or self taught. They don't do it like they used to but still lots of skill and learning there is even colour matching comps! (I won one and came second in one in the 2 I entered) the sign writing though is a skill being lost these days

An old mate now long retired (80+) always told anyone who asked that he was a "Coach and Motor Painter" and was in the last class to go through TAFE on a six year apprenticeship, 12,000 hours. They learnt to spray paint, brush paint, colour match, sign write, tack varnish, pin stripe and so on. They did art works on vans like the Arnotts parrot, shadowed and blocked sign writing like one always saw on meat hanging wagons. He regarded "spray painters" as smash repairers that had learnt to paint a bit. A couple of decades ago he was doing his best to drink himself to death but got over this and has been dry for a long time now.

[BradC]

Also, 18 is too old to start a trade
Kids should be out there at 15-16 starting their apprenticeship

Coming from someone who didn't start their apprenticeship until 19, I disagree. Finishing school and an extra year of "higher education" prior to starting gave me a significant leg up.

[bblaze]

I started my apprenticeship at 15, end of year 10. Failed my school board or what ever they called it to top end of class with most stuff in the 90% at tafe. Was interested in my trade but not in school
cheers
blaze

[rick130]

Also, 18 is too old to start a trade
Kids should be out there at 15-16 starting their apprenticeship

Just my thoughts after a couple ( of dozen) brews

I'm with ED, starting a trade after year 12 wasn't an impediment for me 35 years ago and our youngest tech here who is one year out of his time and my old apprentice in Canberra both started when they were 20.
I've found with the few I've worked with that older/mature age apprentices are more switched on and more willing to work, but it does depend on their personality and the tradesman they are working with too.

Our current 2nd year is 21 and he's coasting too much atm.
Parts of it is he's so laid back he's almost horizontal.
It also doesn't help that the tradie he's with, while very good technically with a brilliant work ethic isn't the best teacher.
He screams and tells too much.
I have to peel him away more often and have him work with me and the youner tech and throw some responsibility on to him.

[Gav 110]

I'm with ED, starting a trade after year 12 wasn't an impediment for me 35 years ago and our youngest tech here who is one year out of his time and my old apprentice in Canberra both started when they were 20.
I've found with the few I've worked with that older/mature age apprentices are more switched on and more willing to work, but it does depend on their personality and the tradesman they are working with too.

Our current 2nd year is 21 and he's coasting too much atm.
Parts of it is he's so laid back he's almost horizontal.
It also doesn't help that the tradie he's with, while very good technically with a brilliant work ethic isn't the best teacher.
He screams and tells too much.
I have to peel him away more often and have him work with me and the youner tech and throw some responsibility on to him.

I agree it comes down to the persons attitude and ability
But spending another 3 years at school doesn’t teach you real world skills
Take a look at Lindsay Fox (LINFOX)
Left school at 13 and had his first truck at 15
A lot of kids these days don’t know what they want to do and have no idea about what opportunities are out there
Doing an apprenticeship at 15 gives them “a leg up” in having an opportunity to start another apprenticeship at 19 if they don’t like the trade they’ve chosen
With a job they can fall back on
4 more years of earning a quid and theoretically getting paid more in the second round
Gav

[Gav 110]

I'm with ED, starting a trade after year 12 wasn't an impediment for me 35 years ago and our youngest tech here who is one year out of his time and my old apprentice in Canberra both started when they were 20.
I've found with the few I've worked with that older/mature age apprentices are more switched on and more willing to work, but it does depend on their personality and the tradesman they are working with too.

Our current 2nd year is 21 and he's coasting too much atm.
Parts of it is he's so laid back he's almost horizontal.
It also doesn't help that the tradie he's with, while very good technically with a brilliant work ethic isn't the best teacher.
He screams and tells too much.
I have to peel him away more often and have him work with me and the youner tech and throw some responsibility on to him.

I agree it comes down to the persons attitude and ability
But spending another 3 years at school doesn’t teach you real world skills
Take a look at Lindsay Fox (LINFOX)
Left school at 13 and had his first truck at 15
A lot of kids these days don’t know what they want to do and have no idea about what opportunities are out there
Doing an apprenticeship at 15 gives them “a leg up” in having an opportunity to start another apprenticeship at 19 if they don’t like the trade they’ve chosen
With a job they can fall back on
4 more years of earning a quid and theoretically getting paid more in the second round
Gav