Covid 19 App poll.

I wonder if those crusading against the COVIDSafe app have thought things through. They might be disadvantaging themselves by discouraging others from downloading the app.


They will be able to get most of the benefits the app offers as long as enough other people download it.


People without the app might not get early notification of having had contact with a positive case, but if enough other contacts have the app , those without it will still get some benefit.


If most other people have the app and are notified of contact with a positive case, the chances of them continuing to circulate in the community are reduced. So the chances of them infecting others, including those without the app, will be reduced.


So those who don’t download can thank those who do since they still get some benefit.


It is a similar situation to anti-vaxxers. The main reason they are able to get away with not vaccinating their children is because enough others are vaccinated to provide the herd immunity that protects unvaccinated children.


The seventy nine children who died of measles in Samoa last year shows what happens if vaccination levels drop low enough for diseases like measles to gain a foothold in the community.


Perhaps the anti-COVIDSafe people need to hope that enough others download the app to give them the benefits in a manner that is similar to the protection herd immunity offers.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

I wonder if those crusading against the COVIDSafe app have thought things through. They might be disadvantaging themselves by discouraging others from downloading the app.


They will be able to get most of the benefits the app offers as long as enough other people download it.


People without the app might not get early notification of having had contact with a positive case, but if enough other contacts have the app , those without it will still get some benefit.


If most other people have the app and are notified of contact with a positive case, the chances of them continuing to circulate in the community are reduced. So the chances of them infecting others, including those without the app, will be reduced.


So those who don’t download can thank those who do since they still get some benefit.


It is a similar situation to anti-vaxxers. The main reason they are able to get away with not vaccinating their children is because enough others are vaccinated to provide the herd immunity that protects unvaccinated children.


The seventy nine children who died of measles in Samoa last year shows what happens if vaccination levels drop low enough for diseases like measles to gain a foothold in the community.


Perhaps the anti-COVIDSafe people need to hope that enough others download the app to give them the benefits in a manner that is similar to the protection herd immunity offers.

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Not sure there is a crusade against the App, from what I've read there is concern that not enough is known about how it works, and what safeguards it has against improper use. What that improper use might be, I don't know. If there is not openness and transparency in these types of operations, suspicions are always aroused by a cynical public. I think everyone can see the value of the tracing app, getting it right seems to be taking the government a inordinate amount of time. I'm sure they'll get there.

Our decentralised version of the ap seems better than the UK trial of a centralised data storage ap, which is causing some controversy.

NHS coronavirus advisory board split over ditching government app

NHS coronavirus advisory board split over ditching government app | World news | The Guardian

#BREAKING: The COVIDSafe app is having technical issues with NSW Health unable to access data in the app.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

I wonder if those crusading against the COVIDSafe app have thought things through. They might be disadvantaging themselves by discouraging others from downloading the app...................

It is a similar situation to anti-vaxxers. The main reason they are able to get away with not vaccinating their children is because enough others are vaccinated to provide the herd immunity that protects unvaccinated children..........

Perhaps the anti-COVIDSafe people need to hope that enough others download the app to give them the benefits in a manner that is similar to the protection herd immunity offers.

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Like the anti-vaxers you mention these crusaders are without doubt complete and utter selfish morons, oxygen thieves of the worst sort. Undoubtedly the same anti 5G, dole bludging, vegan activist professional student anarchists that have been wasting both our taxes for years. (have I missed anyone here ?) [bigsmile1]

The up side is that these **** wits are endangering both themselves and their bloodlines so in the 'grand scheme of things', from a Darwinian viewpoint, by their actions they will hopefully remove their DNA from the overall gene pool. [bigsmile1] A definite benefit for humanity and civilisation going forward, I hate that politically correct phrase that is probably no.1 contender for 'phrase of the year' [bigsad] . I use it only as an expression for the low esteem in which I hold these crusaders [bigsmile1]

The down side of course is that like most self absorbed **** wits they are a danger to all around them and unfortunately the innocent and sensible will suffer as well. But in an environment where it seems increasingly acceptable to sacrifice the Covid 19 susceptible elderly and infirm for The Greater Good (economically) ie. Sweden, Brasil, USA etc. Perhaps this could be seen as a sensible course ? [bigsad] A good treatise on The Greater Good can be found in the award winning 2007 British Movie/Documentary 'Hot Fuzz' [thumbsupbig]

On a more serious note, I have downloaded the CovidSafe app. but unfortunately the Federal Government have mandated that Location must be enabled on the mobile device for it to operate. WTF this has to do with Bluetooth proximity to another Covidsafe user is beyond me. Leaving aside for the moment that the Federal Government has lied in that the installed Covidsafe app. identifies all nearby phones whether Covidsafe installed or not, at no time has the Federal Government mentioned that Location enabling is a mandatory requirement [bigsad]. Perhaps just an 'unintentional' oversight [bigsmile1] , but I choose not to enable Location on my phone, especially by deception or stealth.

It is also unfortunate that by doing so the Federal Government has chosen not to take advantage of my Covidsafe info. should it be needed.

Deano :)

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On a more serious note, I have downloaded the CovidSafe app. but unfortunately the Federal Government have mandated that Location must be enabled on the mobile device for it to operate. WTF this has to do with Bluetooth proximity to another Covidsafe user is beyond me. Leaving aside for the moment that the Federal Government has lied in that the installed Covidsafe app. identifies all nearby phones whether Covidsafe installed or not, at no time has the Federal Government mentioned that Location enabling is a mandatory requirement [bigsad]. Perhaps just an 'unintentional' oversight [bigsmile1] , but I choose not to enable Location on my phone, especially by deception or stealth.

It is also unfortunate that by doing so the Federal Government has chosen not to take advantage of my Covidsafe info. should it be needed.

Deano :)

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While I admire your venom towards the government, I'm afraid you have the wrong target. The federal Government has not mandated anything to do with location - this is a function of Android that requires location to be on when bluetooth is. It is not required to be on for iPhones. So blame Alphabet, not Canberra.

Also, while I'm no fan of anti-vaxers, they are not all lefties, as quite a lot are from the right and emphasise individual rights and have a fear of government intervention in their lives.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

While I admire your venom towards the government, I'm afraid you have the wrong target. The federal Government has not mandated anything to do with location - this is a function of Android that requires location to be on when bluetooth is. It is not required to be on for iPhones. So blame Alphabet, not Canberra.

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JD, is location required just for the particular app, as my Android 'phone can utilise Bluetooth and I never have location on?

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

While I admire your venom towards the government, I'm afraid you have the wrong target. The federal Government has not mandated anything to do with location - this is a function of Android that requires location to be on when bluetooth is. It is not required to be on for iPhones. So blame Alphabet, not Canberra.

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Not so much venom really, more of an overwhelming disappointment. This is the first time I can remember that the states and Commonwealth have worked cooperatively towards a common goal [bigsmile1][bigsad].

I've always had location turned off on my Android 8.1 phone and haven't had problems Bluetoothing music to the car, am I missing something here ?



Mick ............................... Also, while I'm no fan of anti-vaxers, they are not all lefties, as quite a lot are from the right and emphasise individual rights and have a fear of government intervention in their lives.


I don't really care 'whether the cat is black or white', anti vaxers are a danger to all around them and rely on others doing the right thing for their survival. Selfish self absorbed idiots that will hopefully end up being 'hoist by their own petard' leaving the world a better and safer place [bigsmile1]

Deano :)

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Originally Posted by Saitch

JD, is location required just for the particular app, as my Android 'phone can utilise Bluetooth and I never have location on?

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My information was that it is Android, but it may only be some versions. However, in your position I would check whether you have (perhaps inadvertently) told you bluetooth applications that they can turn location on without asking.