Thread: Covid 19 App poll.

Can we please settle down a bit fellows?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and have their right to hold that opinion respected. There is no need for mature adults to abuse each other for having differing opinions.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

I ticked the last one for that.

I'm using the AULRO ap on an Android phone and I can't see the poll. No idea why. So I don't know what the choices are.


Here's an explanation of the bugs in the ap.

COVIDSafe rollout faces software bugs and lingering iPhone issues
COVIDSafe coronavirus contact-tracing app faces software bugs and lingering iPhone issues - ABC News

Scientists have confirmed that downloading the CovidSafe app won’t improve your testosterone levels, social rank or get you laid.

I read a similar article in the Australian.
There was a comment made by a claimed computer engineer who said that he heard dropouts on his iPhone in locked mode when running past other runners and assumed that the digital handshake was working.
I note that there were plenty of "coulds" and "should" in the ABC report.

From my point of view when my phone is locked and I get in my car and scroll the stereo , the moment I scroll into BT audio the bloody phone starts playing music even when I select a radio station, all this when locked. It's pretty annoying .

Also phone calls are transferred to my stereo and and my wife's Jazz sound system when the phone is locked via Bluetooth.

My wife has a 5se? the later 5 on about Os12.4 and my SE runs the latest OS 13something.

I think this could be Fake News but anyway I am sure there will be a release 01 soon to fix it if it is a problem

Regards PhilipA

One of the reasons that a civilised society like ours works fairly well most of the time is because most people do the right thing most of the time.

We don't need draconian road rules because most of us obey the current rules most of the time.

The children of anti-vaxxers avoid potentially life threatening childhood diseases because usually enough other children are vaccinated to create the herd immunity that protects the unvaccinated.

The same thing will probably happen with the COVIDSafe app. If enough of us download the app to make it possible to ease some restrictions then everyone will enjoy the benefits.

Those who refuse to download because they don't trust the government, worry that their phone battery will go flat, are concerned that the app will allow their wife to learn about their mistress or because they read something written by some anonymous person on Facebook, will also enjoy whatever benefits might result from widespread use of the app.

One reason a minority are not greatly disadvantaged by refusing to co-operate is because most of us see the possibility of a benefit to society.

If this app works, they will be unlikely to thank those of us who downloaded it.

The bluetooth radius is too large, upto and at times in excess of 10m.

Lets say someone has been particularly vigilant, top hygiene, staying at home, avoiding almost everyone. This person has been at home for the last 5 days with no close contact with anyone. This person decides to download the app. The next day this person decides that they want to get out just a little, so choose to get in their car and hit the drive through at (insert favourite takeaway). It is a particularly busy day in the drive through this day and takes a little over 15mins to get in and out. Plenty of time for this persons phone to be collecting data of those in cars in front and behind. Maybe even two cars in front and behind.

Back home and another 3 days without seeing a soul and the phone rings. It's their employer, "great news things are picking up we need you back at work tomorrow". Five minutes later the phone rings again, "You may have been in contact with a positive case of Covid19 and are required to self isolate for the next 14 days and may be prosecuted if you leave your home."

Go shopping at the supermarket. How many people are you within 10m of for 15 minutes or more?

Businesses start to open, traffic starts to get slower again. You could be within 10m of the car in front, behind and the next lane for more that 15mins. Still no contact. But you still could get that phone call. Too many situations where there is no close contact at all, but could result in isolation.

Originally Posted by ChookD2

The bluetooth radius is too large, upto and at times in excess of 10m..

All the information I have seen says you have to be withing 1.5 metres for the app to record a contact.

Unless everyone is driving something shorter than a Smartcar, the problem you describe can't happen.

Do you have a source that says 10 metres rather than 1.5 metres?

Can bt measure distance?