Impeachment or the 25th before the 20th?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

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there is no way what happened at the capital building was ever going to lead to a coupe. that was an unorganized rabble.

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I'm not so sure, I've seen reporters who know the Capitol say it is a bit of a maze in there and doors are un-labelled, un-numbered yet some of the rebels knew where to go, also some brought flak jackets, cable tie hand cuffs, inside the building and petrol bombs, firearms, pepper spray, outside the building. I think most were unorganised but a minority pro'ly had a plan and used the general riot as cover, some were ex-military and I think serving police members. The building now has metal detectors at the doors so arms can't be brought in and secreted to be used later. Most of the rebels left without be apprehended, so who knows if they were carrying sidearms, even knives, history shows how planes have been hijacked with box cutters!

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Originally Posted by SBD4

..................................Technically I think he could. I have heard discussion of Biden possibly pardoning him ... which would be very hard for him to swallow I think.

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Trump might need Biden to pardon him, as Gerald Ford did For Robert Nixon, as his lawyers have advised against pardoning himself, as it could be seen as an admission of guilt in any civil suits that follow.

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

I'm not so sure, I've seen reporters who know the Capitol say it is a bit of a maze in there and doors are un-labelled, un-numbered yet some of the rebels knew where to go, also some brought flak jackets, cable tie hand cuffs, inside the building and petrol bombs, firearms, pepper spray, outside the building. I think most were unorganised but a minority pro'ly had a plan and used the general riot as cover, some were ex-military and I think serving police members. The building now has metal detectors at the doors so arms can't be brought in and secreted to be used later. Most of the rebels left without be apprehended, so who knows if they were carrying sidearms, even knives, history shows how planes have been hijacked with box cutters!

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i've not read into it in that level of detail, so i'll take your word for it.

if it was to be a coup, its not one we've seen before. possibly an autocoup but again, not one we;ve seen before. coup's have forward leadership. a coup is a top-down seizure of power.

what happened is closer to anarchism and election interference.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

in a democracy (which the US claims to be), public offices are accountable to the voters.

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They also have to be accountable to the laws of the land - that's a fundamental part of democracy - if you don't have that at the highest level, you get a dictatorship...

This may be a good time to post the speech Trump made nefore the riot. People can make their own mind up on whether it was inflammatory, and inciteful.


05.pdf (gwu.edu)

And here we have " Counting electoral votes : an overview of procedures at the joint session, including objections by members of Congress. " I 'm adding these stories from the National Archives [ and BTW, this is the quickest FOI release I've ever seen ] because as is normal in these things we are going around in circles getting no where , and eventually we will end up as has happened so many times before, swirling down the drain hole. Hopefully this will be a circuit breaker, to bring us back to more mature discussion. [smilebigeye]


Counting Electoral Votes: An Overview of Procedures at the Joint Session, Including Objections by Members of Congress (gwu.edu)

The planning and execution guideline for the Washington, DC National Guard's involvement in the January 6 2021 First Amendment protests , in Washington, DC.

07.pdf (gwu.edu)

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Originally Posted by Homestar

They also have to be accountable to the laws of the land - that's a fundamental part of democracy - if you don't have that at the highest level, you get a dictatorship...

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sure, but he's not being tried in a court of law. he's being tried before the senate. very american.

I have another report titled " State Dept. warned of White Supremacists in Law enforcement 15 years ago." The FBI intelligence assessment on this subject is here. However, I will place this in CA. , along with " Harsher language on White Supremacists removed from final threat assessment". Hope people may be beginning to see a clearer background of events.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

sure, but he's not being tried in a court of law. he's being tried before the senate. very american.

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While in power the US president is immune from prosecution in the courts and the ONLY venue that can be used for an impeachment trial is the Senate.
Lets face it getting a conviction in the senate with all his "Cronies" backing him will be Far more difficult than getting him convicted by his peers in a court of law.