Thread: Impeachment or the 25th before the 20th?

Originally Posted by V8Ian

CA is open to all and sundry, well the all and sundry with any level of subscription, all you have to do is ask.

I knew that.

This mornings newspaper cartoon.

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Jim Hubbard Cartoons | Stuff.co.nz

Originally Posted by Eevo

interfering in election results is different to insurrection tho.

Disrupting the business of the US government (or trying to) is specifically what insurrection is in US law. And stopping the US Congress from certifying election results would seem to be right at the heart of government, so I cannot see how your statement can be true. A similar riot in this country may not be insurrection, but we are talking about the US, and this action looks to me, as a non-lawyer, to fall squarely and unequivocally into the definition of insurrection.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Disrupting the business of the US government (or trying to) is specifically what insurrection is in US law. And stopping the US Congress from certifying election results would seem to be right at the heart of government, so I cannot see how your statement can be true. A similar riot in this country may not be insurrection, but we are talking about the US, and this action looks to me, as a non-lawyer, to fall squarely and unequivocally into the definition of insurrection.

from my point of view, the people didnt want to take control of the govt (insurrection), they wanted to change the result of an election.

Originally Posted by Eevo

from my point of view, the people didnt want to take control of the govt (insurrection), they wanted to change the result of an election.

That's irrelevant though. It's the act of what they did that constitutes insurrection:

Insurrection

insurrection n
: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government
;also
: the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt [whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or against the authority of the United States…shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years "U.S. Code"]

.. and some wanted far more than to prevent the certification of the votes.

hmmm, seem the definition of insurrection is different to what I thought it meant.

Right wing extremists are threatening more violence in the lead up to Biden's inauguration. Posted in CA, There are reports of Trumps supporters calling for publc hangings.

Originally Posted by bob10

Here's something not thought about too much yet, the Capitol Hill IT staff face a security mess.

Coleman adds, though, that for now the most important thing congressional IT staffers can do is account for which devices were stolen and begin a mass effort to reset passwords, add multifactor authentication to any accounts that don't already have it, wipe and reimage hard drives when practical, and comb monitoring logs for signs of access or exfiltration.

Former National Security Agency hacker Jake Williams points out that, while US law enforcement was somehow caught flat-footed, president Donald Trump's supporters (egged on by Trump himself) have repeatedly foreshadowed that something like this could occur.
“You have to step back and realize that foreign intelligence could have looked at this and said, ‘Yeah, this is going to be an opportunity,” says Williams, founder of Rendition Infosec. “I don’t think every office that was entered everything needs to be burned to the ground, but you need to be acknowledging that there’s real intelligence value in learning legislators’ intentions and plans on policy. This security breach is a big deal.”




Post-Riot, the Capitol Hill IT Staff Faces a Security Mess | WIRED

Yes, I really think that would have been part of the plan, "Group A Yobbos creates mayhem while Group B IT experts go looking through the Computers to find anything useful to the cause.


They couldn't waste an opportunity before they got kicked out of the Capitol Building.

Probably all with pockets full of USB Thumb drives.

The Govt. Staff would have considered that possibility wouldn't they. They would have wouldn't they?



Cynical? Moi?