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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    All difficult to do if you are in a hire car you probably have never driven before - if it had the rescue tool, try finding it as the car is sinking - I watched an episode of Myth Busters where they found the inside of the car has to be completely full of water before you can open the doors - panic would have well and truly set in by then.

    I have completed a number of underwater escape sessions from aircraft rigs which were done in a pool with safety divers and that was frightening enough - let alone having just driven into cold muddy water with the car filling up and wondering if the door could open when the car is full and know you would be history if it didn't. It would be tough finding the glass breaking hammer in a car you have never been in - no the door should have a pull out handle to allow windows to be opened when there is no power - or maybe a water proof system with its own power in the door that allows windows to open.

    I get frustrated in having to turn the ignition on to adjust the windows let alone if I was drowning and the windows cannot be opened.
    I’ve done those training exercises as well. Eye openers, and of course the key point is to not panic.

    Problem is that the glass will remain pinned against the frame from water pressure once submerged. Even with a manual winder - and then you have to remain focused and keep winding as it floods the vehicle.

    In a hire car it’s only a matter of informing during handover and making sure it’s mounted prominently eg. Console.

    I’ve always left windows down when doing water crossings for this very reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 350RRC View Post
    I thought he was talking to 000 for 40 minutes before the line went dead. That's how it was reported on ABC radio.

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    Yes that was the initial report but on review it was found to only be about a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    Yes that was the initial report but on review it was found to only be about a minute.
    Line would go dead as soon as his phone got wet

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    Very sad, and must be one hell of a way to go.

    But it is not possible to provide for every contingency; whether it be in a car or any other situation humans manage to get themselves into. I too have done many HUET training courses, in fact I have a log book with a record of them amongst other training courses involved in working offshore.
    With the HUET training you are not only underwater, but also turned upside down!

    The last helicopter that I owned had emergency escape handles next to the door that were just a simple "D" handle connected with a steel wire to the hinge pins on the doors. A quick pull on the handle and the door would fall off. No idea if they worked underwater, and had no desire to find out!

    With a car fire; what happens if you are trapped inside after an accident and the doors are deformed and will not open? Should we legislate to have fixed fire suppressant systems?

    The only sure way to avoid these things is to stay in bed all day, and hope that there is not an earthquake, or the building catches on fire.

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    My 1984 BMW E30 has plastic plugs in the door trims that can be easily removed to wind down the windows manually when the electric ones fail ( which is quite often & no the switches are not made by Lukas) the down side is the winder is kept in the boot lid tool kit. Not much good if the car is under water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    I used to have one of those windpw breaking hammers in my P38A. I haven't fitted one to the L322 as I'm not sure where I could drill safely without damaging something vital.

    I do wonder if one could kick a door window out of the frame. On earlier Subarus e.g., our '2005 Forester but not our current Forester, that would be possible as they had frameless windows (above the waistline).
    I bought one of these from a disability shop ,as a aid to get in and out of cars, it hooks on the the door striker plate. it can be used as a glass breaker and seat belt cutter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares View Post
    I bought one of these from a disability shop ,as a aid to get in and out of cars, it hooks on the the door sticker. it can be used as a glass breaker and seat belt cutter.
    Handybar For Car - Ergonomic Car Handle for Elderly or Injured | Aidacare
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    My wife asked me to buy one of these to help her get in & out of the car & I did as I was told . Have no idea what she did with it , have not seen it since I gave it to her, probably in a draw some were with all the other things she thinks are a good idea & never uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    I’ve always left windows down when doing water crossings for this very reason.
    This. Growing up in a small forestry town with the main road out traversing several small rivers prone to flash flooding we had this drilled into us as kids. We got about in a 1959 Bedford TJ J1 truck in those days and it had traversed a few streams in flood in its time in emergency settings.

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    Unfortunately the guy who died did not know the water was there when he crashed into it and had no chance to put the windows down before hand.
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