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The closest thing that I can find to the national cabinet meetings is the media release from the PM, the last of which confirms the Doherty institute modelling still stands and that 80% is the time when, regardless of case numbers restrictions can be loosened. Victoria, NSW and the ACT seem to be following this advice with their roadmaps loosening a small amount at 70% and more greatly at 80%
National Cabinet Statement | Prime Minister of Australia

There is also an attachment that relates to the confidentiality of the meetings so I very much doubt that the detail will be released in a timely manner.

Regards,
Tote

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It's much more likely that the citizens of said states would get sick of being isolated before a case challenging the closure made it to court.

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It is much more likely that citizens of said States are more than willing to keep out visitors from the infected States because they have a pretty much normal life without lockdowns because they have managed to keep themselves virus free because of their border controls.
Even NSW is now talking about 80% and 90% double lots of vaccinations before opening up properly So why is it so unacceptable for the other States to hold back until they reach the same level of vaccination (or better)before opening up???

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Originally Posted by trout1105

The States have had the right since day dot of Federation to close their borders for health reasons , The Federal Court doesn't have the power to remove those rights.
End of story.

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Can you point me to the section of the Constitution or otherwise where this power of the States derives from? I suspect it must be some State/Commonwealth Agreement that is not part of the Constitution.

Edit - just read Tote's posts - and sort of agree but I was suggesting that the Federal Court would not consider whether borders should be open or shut or whether the free trade aspects of the Constitution should be considered but simply if most of the country had lifted their Health Orders, then any States that still had had them in place were being unreasonable in this position and this aspect could be considered by the Courts.

Garry

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Originally Posted by trout1105

It is much more likely that citizens of said States are more than willing to keep out visitors from the infected States because they have a pretty much normal life without lockdowns because they have managed to keep themselves virus free because of their border controls.
Even NSW is now talking about 80% and 90% double lots of vaccinations before opening up properly So why is it so unacceptable for the other States to hold back until they reach the same level of vaccination (or better)before opening up???

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No they are not Trout, there was always a slight relaxation at 70%, a greater one at 80% where most things are open with restrictions and they have now announced that on December first most restrictions will have gone. - maybe do a bit of research..... Roadmap to recovery reveals path forward for all NSW

It's not unacceptable for other states to stay locked up, its probably just unsustainable. For every citizen in those states who doesn't care if the borders ever open there is one who has family interstarte that they cannot see, business to be done overseas that has been waiting for 18 months or just the desire to go on a holiday outside the state. That is what will drive reopening, but if the premiers of the closed states can sustain that approach, good luck to them.

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by Tote

The closest thing that I can find to the national cabinet meetings is the media release from the PM, the last of which confirms the Doherty institute modelling still stands and that 80% is the time when, regardless of case numbers restrictions can be loosened. Victoria, NSW and the ACT seem to be following this advice with their roadmaps loosening a small amount at 70% and more greatly at 80%
National Cabinet Statement | Prime Minister of Australia

There is also an attachment that relates to the confidentiality of the meetings so I very much doubt that the detail will be released in a timely manner.

Regards,
Tote

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70 / 80% of eligible or total? That is the obfuscation.

DL

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Originally Posted by 350RRC

70 / 80% of eligible or total? That is the obfuscation.

DL

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Following the link to the Doherty modelling it appears to be based on population over 16, no obfuscation that I can see....
https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/c...EMBER_2021.pdf

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by Tote

Following the link to the Doherty modelling it appears to be based on population over 16, no obfuscation that I can see....
https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/c...EMBER_2021.pdf

Regards,
Tote

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So that's eligible. Single vax or both?

DL

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Originally Posted by 350RRC

So that's eligible. Single vax or both?

DL

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From the Doherty Document....

Infectious disease models were used to consider the likely relative impacts of COVID-19 epidemics introduced after achieving two-dose vaccine coverage at thresholds of 50, 60, 70 and 80% of the age-eligible (16+) population.

So double dose.

Regards,
Tote

Just a curiosity.... how are they doing this ? - for a population over 240 million.

Yes, even making allowance for rubbery figures and poor communication, the trend is interesting, especially when compared with the small State of Kerala.
And the situation in Tamil Nadu from a change in government...

Active Covid cases down to 176 in Uttar Pradesh | Lucknow News - Times of India

Kerala Covid Cases: Kerala clocks 11,699 fresh Covid-19 cases, 58 deaths | Thiruvananthapuram News - Times of India



1 Lakh = 100, 000

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Originally Posted by Tote

My two bob on the "vaccinated patrons only" thing is that it will last a month or two and quietly disappear. NSW appears to be gearing up with integrating the vaccination certificate in their app, although I agree that it has some shortcomings and potential (IT) security issues. I reckon that it is being used as a big carrot to get people to be vaccinated in order to resume life, NSW is already at 85% first dose an that will magically turn into 85% double vaccinated in weeks. It might be that at 90 or 95% double vaccination the check ins will be quietly dropped as a waste of time and resources, meaning that there will be effectively no checking of vaccination status at most venues.
From the carrot perspective it certainly made my 18yo daughter ensure that she was fully vaccinated before the middle of next month when pubs will open to to vaccinated patrons so from that perspective it is working on her (and her mates) very effectively.

I have some issues with using Singapore as an example of how "living with covid " is failing. It seems that their government is unwilling to accept any increase in cases and are reacting to case numbers rather than hospitalisation rates to determine their response. This article Living, partying and travelling with COVID. Aussie expats shed light on their summer of freedom - ABC News shows a very different experience in Germany where their population is only 62% vaccinated and they are effectively open with some controls. Australia is looking at a 90% vaccination rate by Christmas, I can't see how we could get any closer to normal than that.


Regards,
Tote

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We are double vaxxed so we reckon we will take our chances with 90%. Still not convinced that that figure is honest & correct & it could be 80% for all I know.


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