Thread: Covid Mk ll

Originally Posted by Eevo

yes but i think your missing my badly explained point.
the influenza shot is the closest things we have in terms of a regular and ongoing shot. maybe lets using the past as an experience of how the future with a similar situation is going to turn out.

Interesting studies on Covid. Assuming it is the same as flu might be a Q itself.

It isn't so assumptions are just that. Similar in some but different in several major ways CDC version.

HALO is a guide perhaps
It suggests
Which vaccines do we need?

Vaccines not only protect us, but vulnerable people in our community (such as the young, the elderly, or those with weakened immunity).
The vaccines we may need are determined by our health, age, lifestyle and occupation. Together, these factors are known as HALO.

HALO is defined as:

• Health – some people may benefit from additional or more frequent immunisations due to health factors. For example, pregnant women, premature babies, or those with conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, HIV and disorders of the heart, lungs, spleen or kidneys).
• Age – at certain ages, we are more vulnerable to some illnesses. Such as in: childhood, in secondary school and when we are older.
• Lifestyle – some lifestyle choices can put us or the community at risk, such as overseas travel, moving to Australia, becoming a new parent, sexual activity, smoking, or playing contact sport.
• Occupation – some jobs have a higher risk of exposure to infections. Such as those who work in hospitals, childcare and emergency services.

Check your immunisation HALO using the Immunisation for Life Infographic (pdf)
downloadable poster.


Most of the childhood vaccines are done and dusted for me

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Morrison basically said that today - it sounds awfully like because they've lost control in Sydney they're just going to let it rip.

Which undermines everything we've been doing for the last 18 months.

It doesn't really undermine it but if the states that currently are covid free remain that way they will have a very difficult set of decisions to make in order to reenter the world. They could remain isolated until they have a higher vaccination percentage but at some point they will need to either remain isolated forever or accept that covid free is not sustainable. NSW does not have such a choice and will head down the path of living with covid as the US and UK have done.

There will also need to be some substantial political manoeuvring from the leaders of the covid free states in order to get public acceptance of living with covid, a task made easier in NSW where there is no viable alternative.

Regards,
Tote

Something that has puzzled me is the conflicting data about suicides.

I have repeatedly seen claims (often by people trying to downplay the seriousness of COVID-19) that the lockdowns have sent suicide numbers through the roof. Sometimes numbers are quoted that appear to support the claim.

I would have assumed that suicide numbers would be up given the problems caused by the pandemic.

However official figures don't appear to support the claims.

Last year in August, the Victorian Coroner's report revealed that there had been 466 suicides in Victoria that year. The previous year, before COVID and before the lockdowns, there were 468 suicides in Victoria.

Extra information on this site doesn't seem to show a dramatic increase in suicides in the last couple of years.

Data from suicide registers - Australian Institute of Health and Welfare

Victoria has endured the greatest number of days in lockdown, yet these are the figures for that state.

Figure-1-Number-of-suspected-deaths-by-suicide-in-Victoria-by-month-2016-to-2020.png

I am aware of the fact that suicide is a serious problem and has been for some time, but if the current claims are not accurate, that doesn't help the problem being taken seriously.

As I said, i would have expected increased numbers of suicides and struggle to understand why official figures don't support that.

BTW If your response is simply going to be that the authorities are lying to us, don't bother. I am looking for sensible explanations.

Bunnings: Panic buyers head to stores ahead of partial closure

This got me thinking - what poses the greatest risk of transmission, leaving Bunnings open or everyone in Sydney queueing up because all Bunnings shops are closing tomorrow (except for tradies and click and collect)
Shades of poo ticket panic.

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by Tote

It doesn't really undermine it but if the states that currently are covid free remain that way they will have a very difficult set of decisions to make in order to reenter the world. They could remain isolated until they have a higher vaccination percentage but at some point they will need to either remain isolated forever or accept that covid free is not sustainable. NSW does not have such a choice and will head down the path of living with covid as the US and UK have done.

There will also need to be some substantial political manoeuvring from the leaders of the covid free states in order to get public acceptance of living with covid, a task made easier in NSW where there is no viable alternative.

Regards,
Tote

There isn't much of an alternative in NSW because of the shoddy management of this latest oubreak by the NSW government, Maybe this has been politically engeneered to suit the Governments agenda

most of the covid free states are doing just fine with No lockdowns and buisness pretty much as usual mainly because of the way these states have managed their various outbreaks.

IF NSW decides to "Let it Rip" then I think that you will find that NSW will be the one "Isolated" Not the rest of Australia, Be very careful of what you wish for old mate.

Actually Covid Mk 1 was started in "General Chat", that is hardly a "Technical Thread", Ian.

Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by trout1105

There isn't much of an alternative in NSW because of the shoddy management of this latest oubreak by the NSW government, Maybe this has been politically engeneered to suit the Governments agenda

most of the covid free states are doing just fine with No lockdowns and buisness pretty much as usual mainly because of the way these states have managed their various outbreaks.

IF NSW decides to "Let it Rip" then I think that you will find that NSW will be the one "Isolated" Not the rest of Australia, Be very careful of what you wish for old mate.

Overseas destinations look pretty good as an alternative to isolated Australian states

Regards,
Tote

Qld's border controls exempt ambulances, rescue helicopters and people with medical appointments, so I don't buy that argument. Anyway, the regional base hospital is at Lismore, not the Tweed, so people south of the Tweed River could still go to the Lismore Base Hospital for specialist care.

Originally Posted by Tote

Because it would benefit Qld and disadvantage NSW I would imagine, All of the services in Tweed Heads would be unavailable to the NSW residents in the area at the whim of the Qld Government. The same approach could be asked of Qld why they do not allow a "border bubble" as the ACT and Victoria have done. Again, a lack of control from Qld on who enters their state being the answer there (not that I'm saying that is necessarily bad).
As an example of the potential complications moving the border south would put Tweed heads hospital in a zone that Qld would demand be isolated in the event of an outbreak. A NSW resident in Kingscliff needs to access the facilities and would not be able to under the current Qld restrictions. Not to mention the legality of Qld attempting to enforce a closed border on NSW soil. Another example using the Hospital would be that NSW funds the staff at the hospital and those staff would be being paid for by a state that cannot access the services they provide. A very big can of worms.
Barilaro did dismiss the idea as being too legally complex to implement.

Regards,
Tote